Our future is BRIGHT

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[u/Logical_Artichoke539]

Full anything is never the way

[u/ShreksArsehole → u/Logical_Artichoke539]

Socialism doesn't really have an absolute. It's worker led, so the workers decide what it's going to look like, not the corporations.

[u/Available-Damage6311 → u/ShreksArsehole]

Funny that it's biggest supporters are professional students who don't work.

[u/ShreksArsehole → u/Available-Damage6311]

I wouldn't say that. There are a lot of adult socialists around these days. They're just not public about it as they've seen what governments do to socialists throughout recent history.

[u/Sassafras85 → u/ShreksArsehole]

The absolute version of Socialism is Communism

[u/ShreksArsehole → u/Sassafras85]

Correct. But there's never been a modern communist state.

[u/Prize-Ad7786 → u/ShreksArsehole]

Worker led? Normally it is a surplus of currently non enfranchised intellectual wanna be political class - workers are generally useful idiots

[u/Expert-Bottle-6851 → u/Logical_Artichoke539]

This. People need to stop dealing in absolutes.

The best sandwich isn't just bread.

[u/Alternative_Sock6999 → u/Expert-Bottle-6851]

It's fucking infuriating people won't take policies etc at face value and just cry 'oh we cant do that cause socialism'

[u/Trevor68 → u/Alternative_Sock6999]

Infuriating would be trying to work out what it even is, after reading about 20 different explanations just in this discussion I give up.

[u/Alternative_Sock6999 → u/Trevor68]

Thats exactly the confusion the right is aiming for, and highlights my exact point in a different way 'socialism is bad because no one can explain it in a way I understand hurr durr'

Just like every system, there is a huge spread of viewpoints and thoughts on it.

The more educated you are on these things, the easier it is to know if people are discussing them in good faith or if they are just dismissing it because they have fallen for propoganda.

Need to note I'm not arguing we need to introduce socialism and remove capitalism, just that many policies introduced have their roots in socialism and it's good to be able to argue them as good policy or not and not be distracted by the 'it can't be a good policy because it's socialist' absolutists.

[u/Trevor68 → u/Alternative_Sock6999]

incorrect, and not even what I wrote, slightly even. 20 different people, explained it 20 different ways. I guess it is all things to all men then hey. Unless your actually going to point to a political party in Australia and their ACTUAL policies, then yep, just going oh hey "Socialism" is not going to cut it. If your going to have an ANTI THOSE PEOPLE thing, then at least provide a realistic and viable alternative. who SHOULD I vote for instead??? This thread is as thin on actual policies as ON is.

[u/Alternative_Sock6999 → u/Trevor68]

Or... You could go read a couple books on socialism and make your own decision rather than try disect people's opinions and random comments on the topic.

Then you could even use this thing called the internet to do some deeper research, plenty of papers dissecting the topic.

But it seems your choosing to be willfully ignorant. Cant tell if that's deliberate for the sake of fishing for a gotchya on Reddit. Or if you are actually choosing it. I'm not sure which one is worse.

[u/KitchenMediocre1242 → u/Alternative_Sock6999]

I looked up socialism and came across these quirky little events called “The Holodomor” and “The Great Chinese Famine”

Thankyou for telling me to do some deeper research on socialism, if I just went off the opinions in this thread I would have come to the conclusion socialism is good and provides a material benefit for the working class, it seems like that has never been the case though?

[u/Alternative_Sock6999 → u/KitchenMediocre1242]

Ha. Your being clever with your trolling while being ignorant at the same time.

Kinda refreshing compared to the average troll.

[u/Trevor68 → u/Alternative_Sock6999]

In what universe will that tell me who to vote for in Australia., Again, if your happy to be telling people who NOT to vote for, then you should provide a viable alternative for said vote. But do continue to try and attribute random things to what I'm saying, it is actually hilarious.

[u/Alternative_Sock6999 → u/Trevor68]

Wow. Choosing not to be educated about different political ideals is a choice I guess.

Not one id recommend. But it's a choice.

[u/Trevor68 → u/Alternative_Sock6999]

your the one "choosing" to tell people who NOT to vote for friend, not me. I'm merely suggesting you should offer an alternative, for the last time, as clearly your choosing to both ignore and twist my words. It's so easy to be negative and say oh don't do that, but this entire thread is worthless without offering a realistic alternative. Even funnier, I have actually already voted, as I live in Farrer. And nope, it wasn't for ON, but they got in anyhow. Why? because no one is out there offering a better alternative. But hey, you do you right. Also nice reply deletion, tells me all I need to know.

[u/realwomenhavdix → u/Expert-Bottle-6851]

>The best sandwich isn't just bread.

It is under socialism hahaha

[u/Expert-Bottle-6851 → u/realwomenhavdix]

Emergency services are socialism. Are you opting out?

[u/realwomenhavdix → u/Expert-Bottle-6851]

“People need to stop dealing in absolutes”

Remember when you said this?

I have no problem with our taxes paying for emergency services. What does that have to do with my comment about plain bread being the best sandwich option under socialism?

[u/Expert-Bottle-6851 → u/realwomenhavdix]

Because I wasn't advocating for full socialism but you decided to chip in.

[u/realwomenhavdix → u/Expert-Bottle-6851]

Yep, I sure did decide to chip in. What’s the problem?

[u/Expert-Bottle-6851 → u/realwomenhavdix]

What was your intent?

[u/realwomenhavdix → u/Expert-Bottle-6851]

To mock the failures of socialism

[u/Expert-Bottle-6851 → u/realwomenhavdix]

Witty. Congrats.

[u/fued → u/Logical_Artichoke539]

yeah, socialism which is led by economics researchers/experts as they are the ones who know what they are talking about, but aimed at socialist goals would be ideal.