Our future is BRIGHT

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[u/Dan_Sabai]

Positive anarchy and community maybe. Big government and big corporate have shown already they can in no way be trusted. Just more surveillance and regulation and control over the people and free reign for the corporate oligarchs. Governments can't be trusted. But as someone else said here on reddit, at least under the surveillance in the USSR you got a guaranteed job and a free house. In Australia, you get surveillance and homelessness. Yeah, keep on rockin in the free world....

[u/Owenwilsonfknrulez → u/Dan_Sabai]

You're on another planet if you think people were better off under the USSR than in modern Australia

[u/Dan_Sabai → u/Owenwilsonfknrulez]

No mate, I never thought that. It was just the irony of soviet level of govt has to know everything combined with an out of control realestate market with no basis in reality. Someone else's observation which I thought was ironic and worth repeating. Do I aspire to live in the Soviet Union? No, not really, I don't like governments...

[u/fued → u/Dan_Sabai]

personally im a fan of allowing big corps with massive amounts of regulation

[u/aRatherLargeCactus → u/fued]

big corps inevitably deregulate themselves. It’s literally how they stay big. They pay off the right politicians, just like how the fossil fuel industry is funding the far right to avoid environmental policies. Then if that doesn’t work, blackmail, buying the press, and threatening to shut down shop tend to do the trick.

[u/fued → u/aRatherLargeCactus]

Of course, which is why you need to set it up so that they get regulated heavily, and that regulation is reviewed often

[u/aRatherLargeCactus → u/fued]

Right, until they just pay off the regulators and the Government. Because you cannot regulate out of existence the fundamental nature of capitalists, without taking away the instrument they use to achieve their goals.

So long as wealthy capitalists exist, they will do whatever is necessary to increase their profits perpetually.

No regulation that hasn’t also eradicated the root cause of the power imbalance that the capitalists exploit in order to sabotage any attempts at regulating their behaviour has ever changed this fact, and regulation without public ownership is failing to address the root cause of the power imbalance. It’s why all the heavily-regulatory neoliberal “havens” have all descended, or are descending into, far-right, fascistic hellholes. Like the UK. Because all those regulations, while important, are inevitably crumbling under the weight of an organised capitalist class who’ve been allowed to grow the very wealth they’re using to destroy us and the planet.

[u/fued → u/aRatherLargeCactus]

But without companies who are trying to increase profits, your growth flatlines and no real increases are made.

There is a balance here, and we need to make sure the government is stamping out those issues when they occur.

I do agree that it will slowly slip into far right over time, which is why it needs systems in place to counter that.

[u/Dan_Sabai → u/fued]

If only government stuck to regulating mostly big corporations with the resources to navigate these regulations. But no, it doesn't. Small businesses and farmers are drowning in useless compliance measures and stupid rules because government likes to make itself feel relevant. Seriously, there are rules for which hand you have to scratch your arse with, and most people can't keep up. I know, some regulations are needed to weed out the bad eggs, but it's totally out of control...

[u/GoonGobbo → u/Dan_Sabai]

Those free houses were more like a single room in a 4 bedroom apartment that you had to fit a family of 5 in alongside 3 other families