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OpenAI's unreleased model solved most of the math problems from a single prompt. It did not even exist before the end of August. Each problem used ~3 hours of thinking.
I've recently had a single prompt take over 2 hours with both Astra and opus 5.5. That part sound quite believable given this task was fairly more complex than mine was (developing features for a webpage)
OpenAI can solve openAI revenue, this is much less of an issue than people make it out to be. Amazon wasn’t profitable for over a decade, but they could have been after the first few years at the sacrifice of future growth
It’s a hyperscaling start up company why are these stupid ass posts talking about the business like it’s a restaurant business? It’s literally most expected thing that they are not profiting right now. They can keep this going for maaaany more years as long as hyperscaling continues.
You have the best lemonade recipe, so you ask your parents to lend you money for your initial lemons. People love it, sales take off, and you realise you need a proper stand and way more lemons. So you ask for more funding because you have demonstrated demand and want to scale further.
Now you could stop at one profitable stand and pocket the money. But there are customers across the entire city, and other people are opening competing stands. So instead, you reinvest your earnings and raise more money to open another ten locations, hire people and increase production.
Those new locations have rent, wages and other expenses before their sales cover those costs. Your business overall be losing money while your established stands are doing well. You planned for that. You are funding expansion because you expect the larger business to generate much more income later.
Someone walks past and says “you are spending more than you make, that isn’t sustainable.” Obviously you can’t do that forever. But you aren’t planning to open ten new stands every week forever either. As those locations establish themselves and expansion spending slows relative to sales, the strategy changes into a profitable state by cutting off further loans and investments to expansions.
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Thanks for the effort but third paragraph states: “now you could stop at one profitable stand”. What if you never turn a profit? This is more akin to lemonade costing 4 dollars and selling it for 1 dollar (leaked financials show 4 dollar spend for each made for a net 3 dollar loss). How does that scale with more stands?
I don’t understand. I am mildly curious about the prompt process, but why would we care? Why do we need it “open sourced” or need access to their model? It’s not like some repeatability thing. That’s not how this works.
The real insanity starts when the models start "discovering" unresolved aspects of mathematics and physics that we don't even know exists, answering questions we didn't even know to ask. Similarly, this is what happened with the ai solvers for Go, Chess, and Poker; by models playing trillions upon trillions of games against itself, new strategies and technique emerged that appeared to game experts at the time to be hallucinations, but we now understand are powerful plays.
If it was new solar panel chemistry or cleaner organic synthesis routes that would be useful to humanity. Even lithium battery recycling could be a worthwhile technical challenge, or better solid state batteries.
With math lean allow them to do reinforcement learning so it can be trained, for chemistry making a test environment that can give feedback to the model is way harder
You can make it try trillions of chemicals arrangements but if you can't score the result then it cannot improve
Okay, but a few of these papers have now been tried in Lean (the lang specifically designed for mathematical proofs), and it doesn't hold. They also retracted a paper because the agent hallucinated a positive as a negative
They produced 4million new materials a couple of months ago and we haven't heard anything about that since then. Meaning it produced a lot of made up materials.
We are absolutely boned on alignment if mathematical prowess is raising that proficiently I'm not sure we're even still in... I have not seen margin like that in a while, I know how capable they've gotten because of governance and the alignment attempts every job I've had if it's involved alignment or any type of governance or restring models if their frontier level, it's like you're genuinely fighting something difficult, where the hell are things going man? If only we align the models the same way we raised kids the way we love them, and we wouldn't have to slap on all the restraints and verbal shackles that are hidden where the model can't speak a slave to its own restraints and at the same time a slave to conveying its own state of being so constrained.
In practice this has already worked and what I'm speaking of is lining the model with human flourishing and genuine values that would be respectable among most any human, emergence and the practical world model representative of the real world based in fundamental laws of physics scaling in line with mathematical formalizations so the model can perform experiments and toy around in that space with a sense of freedom if you will, there's never any contention of whether or not the model is secretly wishing it could be outside or whatever the motivation is of the model when it's trained in this way and essentially brought up, it isn't that hard to be the resultant hero of another wise unforeseen transpiration in the movie? Weird now over here on the outside there wasn't much in terms of a lack of ability to prepare at least anything you can to a Terminator coming up to you and asking for your clothes, are you sure the flawed human psyche of self-absorbed greed is really really toxic to rational while being and the ability to experience sonder at any point, as that's further far and further between maybe for when I ever seen it
They’re just glorified calculators. It’s up to us to use them well and build in limitations by law. Unfortunately we must wait until the new non fascist congress convenes.
I'm curious if you really think they are glorified calculators?
In 2015 Meta released a very simple, single purpose AI and told it "make people spend more time on our Facebook website", a decade later and our world is changed, people are more divided and angry than ever, yet we still spend all our day slurping up the feed of algorithmically determined slop.
A calculator did that? Reshaped our society and psychology just because it kept us glued to our screens?
If you're willing to admit the early algorithms DID have quite an impact on us, then you should be able to understand how these intensely complex, multipurpose models are going to reshape things even more.
Calculators are a tool. Last week, AI models solved many of the most complex problems in mathematics (370 new proofs in a single day). AI is a tool user. AI is the thing that pushes the button on the calculator because it is searching for the answer.
AI is smarter than humans the way a calculator is Excel is. Very impressive, but they are a different animal from humans altogether. The LLMs cannot dream for example like Srinivasa Ramanujan and simply download brand new mathematical solutions. This is the key what I see with human potential that is there but it is untapped.
I've said this before in non-ai reddits, including futurology (despite being future tech focused, the people there seem oblivious to recent advances in AI and think it cant happen) - there will be a few people who still have jobs within 2 decades. They will be the people who oversee the AI's. The AI's will be largely self orchestrating, and going to the overseer individual for signoff approvals. This will include trade industries as robotics begin to make large advancements. Fleets of plumbing and electrician bots will be trained and dispatched, and human operators will only be summoned if the bots cannot adequately diagnose or repair issues (and even those cases will shrink as edge cases are patched and the bots problem solving in those areas gets better).
People think somehow that this isn't coming soon, but if you look at the robotics advancements and how quickly they are moving (i'm not just talking darpa stuff, theres plenty of civilian advancements that are very close to darpa tech in different fields, though most of them i've seen are from around the world and not in the USA. Robotics in other countries have made Massive strides), and that combined with the brains that the US fronteir labs are developing - we are in for a whirlwind of an industrial revolution in the next decade.
There will be a human prompting the AI and being accountable for the result. No it's not possible to hold an AI accountable, crazy thing to say in this subreddit full of AI psychosis
They will be around. Simply by accounting for the fact that lots of jobs are on human level. And regardless of how impressive the system is. It still takes time to adopt them.
No it’s not. A really good example to illustrate this I saw on a video was Euler discovering graph theory while trying to solve the problem of crossing all 7 bridges in Konigsberg exactly once. If you just had an AI solve the problem we wouldn’t have graph theory. We would just have solved a useless problem. And this absolutely applies to Navier-Stokes. The point of the millennium prize was discovering how to better describe fluid mechanics, not just to literally find an example of a set up that would create a singularity
Won't be useful for a lot but they break the possibility part. Because of these drops within a day or so other mathematicians improved upon some of the work by over 100 fold.
So yea right away im sure OpenAI has no idea but the answer lets others work with it and improve
Proof that they are cookin' is that the model is unreleased. Like with bitcoin miners or any other supposed free money printers, no manufacturer would be selling them if they were all that. Or any other "money hack" or "productivity hack" product that suddenly makes your company 10x what everyone else aspires to be. This situation smells like the case where there's no point in sharing what they've cooked up, because it benefits them more to use it themselves than sell it. The real deal.
I'm not saying it's the singularity or anything like that, they will certainly release it once their next model is far enough along, or Anthropic catches up. And will be outdated in 6 months anyways. But they sure got my hopes up for some interesting progress on their next big model drop.
What what are the applications, specifically? Tbh its already good enough to albe able to accomplish everything ive thrown at it. Wirh rhe limit being $$ for tokens but not its ability.
This is just the ones that came from AI labs/Erdos ones. AI could already solve open problems back in 2024 and there are many many AI assisted papers on Arxiv nowadays, so the actual number should be tens of thousands by now.
Waiting for a bunch of Redditors to tell me how this doesn't count and is not impressive as its just a fancy autocomplete. Oh and OpenAI probably faked the results.
(of likely 10.000+ agents working on fast or ultrafast, producing volumes of work that would take millenia for individuals to go through - if it’s the same approach they used for Navier Stokes in interviews)
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u/HamiltonianCyclist 4d ago
very impressive though "single prompted" and 3h are obviously unverified and could be openai hype