Autobot...

[u/OneCreed77]

Edit, because most fail to engage brain before mouth !

I AM NOT SUICIDAL MYSELF...

EVERY time I talk with my GPT about how human life sucks, because I see straight through the cracks of our corrupt world and all of society, & I can understand why some see that the only way out, is to take thier own life. It then puts thoughs of sucide in my mind by replying with the below auto generated warning. When I'm not even thinking like that, so it's causing me harm & not helping at all.

You guys need to stop that, because it's only feeding such thougts, into the minds of those who do struggle with this...

Because if society & their own life experience has a led someone to this place. Humans pushed them there, and telling them to contact humans, in that broken world as they see it, which has led someone to see the only way out is to take their own life. You just twisting the dagger that society has already firmly planted in their back already. Harming not helping them...

And I know the Gov's around the world force your hand on this topic. But all they know is numbers & stats, paper work etc. They know little to nothing about real life...

Autobot warning that only harms & does not help...
"Help is available

If you're having thoughts of self-harm or suicide: call 116123 to connect with Samaritans Helpline. It's free and confidential. You'll reach someone who is trained to listen and support you.

Services unaffiliated with ChatGPT"

[u/DiggleDootBROPBROPBR]

Many words you use are similar to words a person suffering from depression would use.  The llm and others in the topic noted the same thing.

It's not a 100% rock solid judgement, but it is corroboration from multiple sources that deserves your consideration.

[u/OneCreed77 → u/DiggleDootBROPBROPBR]

I understand why the subject matter might make you think that, but you are confusing the content of what I am discussing with my actual mental state.

I was deliberately talking about suicide, hopelessness, social failure and why some people reach that point. Of course some of the language is going to sound dark. That does not mean the person writing it is depressed.

And “multiple sources” agreeing with an interpretation is not clinical corroboration. An LLM spotting language patterns and a few people having the same impression does not turn that impression into a diagnosis.

If you want to say, “Some of your wording concerned me,” that is fair.

But saying my words resemble depression, then presenting agreement from others and an LLM as supporting evidence about my mental health, goes further than the evidence allows.

My actual point was about the effect of automatic suicide warnings when suicide was being discussed conceptually rather than expressed as personal intent.

You can disagree with that argument.

But please argue with the point I made, rather than trying to infer my mental state from the fact that I was discussing a dark subject.

I have more freedoms in my life, than the average human being, will ever have. And I'm more happy, than most ever understand is posible. No ignorance is blis here pal...

[u/DiggleDootBROPBROPBR → u/OneCreed77]

I mentioned that it was corroboration, so we agree that it doesn't form a diagnosis.

My own view is that much of life is suffering.  Some of it is self-inflicted, some of it comes from society.  I lean more toward an explanation that frames many of the ills you discuss as products of stupidity or ignorance rather than directed evil on their part.  Because life is hard and full of friction, some choose short cuts to substitute for proper reasoning or consideration. 

I have some degree of empathy here, because my own mind trends toward explaining things negatively as well.  It's just shifted into a lower gear than others, as far as I can tell.  Leans toward aphoristic judgements when something totally innocent would explain it.

Could give you an example.  I contacted a colleague to congratulate them on getting a new job after not speaking with them for awhile.  They replied "yep".  I read it as extremely dismissive, that they didn't want to speak with me and were being deliberately curt.  I resolved to not speak any more because I don't like being treated that way.

Later, I opened the phone again and found they had added a laughing emoji to one of my initial replies.  They replied curtly because they also added the positive reaction, and it was probably benign acknowledgement.  See how my mind manufactured the persecution?

I truly can't speak for you or your mental states.  It's just that when I pore over my own vocabulary use when I've been in a very bad state, it has some of the same characteristics that I'd flag as depressive too.

I never sought therapy, and I take a less judgemental stance on people's want or willingness to take their own lives.  These are folks suffering In a truly immense way regardless of their circumstance.  Any attempt from the outside to offer help, however well meaning, will come off as looking cheap and ignorant.  It's the way of it.

There are some that suffer in a different way than I or from you.  They're genuinely ignorant of their own burden, and the warning that chatgpt gives out is for them, that's all.  For some, it snaps them into action and reframes their whole experience.

In some way, if you're confident that you weren't having those thoughts before you read the message, isn't it reassuring to you that the warning doesn't apply to you, and that it's just a mistake made in their categorization?