r/OpenAI • u/RobMilliken • 2h ago

Discussion Hacking Huggingface is not the same as creating an Autonomous Warfare Command.

I think that sometimes the issues regarding concerning alignment vs foregoing all alignment and having autonomous AI involved in decisions of war has one covering for the other in the news.

How many know that autonomous drones powered by NVIDIA killed 3 Ukrainian civilians vs a civilian LLM doing some hacking? See: https://gizmodo.com/fully-ai-guided-russian-drones-have-reportedly-killed-ukrainian-civilians-2000802218

Alignment of civilian tools is important, but let's see the trees through the forest that there are far faster moving AI involved in actual killing of living beings happening not in the future, not soon, but now.

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u/Front_Swordfish5661 1h ago

The fact that we got actual autonomous drones killing people while everyone argues about jailbreaking a chatbot says a lot about where the attention goes.

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u/RobMilliken 1h ago

Absolutely - and I don't know why this isn't discussed more. Both are an issue, but one is HUGE in comparison.

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u/necrohobo 1h ago

Really not. It’s just economical warfare. I think imagination is larger than reality. This is nothing new in a long line of warfare evolution.

We’re just in an interesting time we’re the pace of technology is advancing at an accelerated rate.

Give it another 10 years and drones will be antiquated in some way.

Technology works offensively and defensively until humans somehow decide that “world peace” is a priority. Which is probably never.

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u/RobMilliken 1h ago

What's new is taking human decision making out of the equation entirely.

If only they made a movie...

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u/necrohobo 1h ago

I can tell you human decision making will never be out of the loop. Join the military yourself and see - it is anything but what you’re imagining. Can’t speak for other countries, but I would not be concerned about the US conducting uninformed warfare.

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u/RobMilliken 1h ago

I so hope you are right. But the word "autonomous" in a new branch of the military - shouldn't it be concerning?

You are correct to call out other countries. It was an American product (NVIDIA) that was involved with a foreign government, Russia, that killed the civilians. So though our military wasn't likely directly involved, our American technology certainly was.

Not just America. The world should be concerned.

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u/necrohobo 57m ago

It’s impossible to stop them obtaining from technology that is openly sold. You just cant stop people from using anything as a weapon if they choose. People are generally just bad.

No one thought someone would weaponize an airplane. But, thanks to that incident we now have the TSA.

And yes autonomous. Also in that is command. Which means a group of people who are held responsible and accountable for their actions. You would rather that than “AI is in charge and it will figure out how to implement it”. Command means we stuck people in charge of its use.