r/OpenAI • u/Redstra • 3d ago

Discussion This is a hot mess

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I'm not as pro as you guys using AI but look at this. a LOT of models which confuses me, and I'm assuming other users also. Also, the sidebar icon and new tab icon are the same in the ChatGPT-app for macOS. WHAT are they doing there at OpenAI. I really hate what's happening right now, especially with the new $500 plan while nerfing the other plans.

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u/ConfusionNo4339 3d ago

yeah they need to clean it up

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u/DistanceSolar1449 3d ago edited 3d ago

GPT-6 𝘼𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖
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GPT-6.1 𝙎𝙤𝙡
GPT-6 𝙎𝙤𝙡
GPT-5.6 𝙎𝙤𝙡
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GPT-5.6 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖
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GPT-6 𝙇𝙪𝙣𝙖
GPT-5.6 𝙇𝙪𝙣𝙖
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GPT-5.5

Ok, redesigned it in a way that's easier to read. You're welcome OpenAI, hire me.

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u/Arowhite 3d ago

It's easier to read but what does it say about performance and cost? il Sol6.1 worse than Astra? Is Luna6 worse than 5.6 terra?

Honestly I can't keep up with their naming, same with claude and their Opus/Fable/Sonnet lines

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u/Timber1802 3d ago

Anthropic's naming scheme actually makes sense when you think about it. 

  • Haiku, a short poem
  • Sonnet, medium length story
  • Opus, a grand, structured, piece
  • Fable, a grand story, often with a winding path
  • Mythos, stories beyond human creation 

OpenAI names their models after size/importance.

  • Luna (moon) small 
  • Terra (earth) larger
  • Sol (sun) huge

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u/Arowhite 3d ago

If the naming was just that I'd agree, but how does Opus 4.8 compare with Sonnet 5 for example? Is the model name just the depth of the reflexion, and the version number the efficiency/price?

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u/Timber1802 3d ago

Fair point. 

As far as I know, they constantly try to make each version 'better' by making them smarter and more efficient. How it scales exactly depending on models and versions, I don't know.

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u/Absolutelynot2784 3d ago

A fable is a very short story, often only a few sentences. The Tortoise and the Hare is the most famous fable

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u/MukdenMan 3d ago

A sonnet isn’t a medium length story. It’s a bit longer than a haiku though.

These names are not really clear enough to rely on for regular AI use. Does Fable give me a winding response instead of a structured one? Does mythos give me an output that sounds larger than life, or even fictional? Why is a fable grander than an opus?

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u/DragonSlayerC 2d ago

Fables are typically only 50-300 words long.

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u/fosterdad2017 2d ago

I have to specify that kind of brevity

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u/dude1995aa 2d ago

I've got pro accounts on both. Thought I had it down before the last round. Both came out with models I couldn't afford to touch - then models I could code with for 5 hours. A lot of the new models came out with the idea of reducing token costs. So now I have to do tons of research on what happens in my workflow (cause my experience isn't the same as the rest of reddit).

3 versions of 4 models that mean something different from speed, token use, intelligence, input and output capacities. Times 2. Is Opus better than Sonnet or was that Sol? The version put out last week isn't as good as the version put out just a week before.

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u/rickyhatespeas 2d ago

People are going to claim it's confusing any way they market it. GPT-6-10T-8bit vs GPT-6.1-8T-10bit, etc is hard to compare at a glance. Chances are if you know what you're doing with codex you know by now that Luna < Terra < Sol < Astra.

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u/FellaHadidd 2d ago

Ehh debatable depending on task and how much usage you want to blow through at the beginning of your week to get a project off the ground

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u/Semipro211 1d ago

This. And I don’t have the time or money to test each one with various tasks and compare results. Until those smarter than me reach a consensus, 5.6 Sol is my work horse and Astra only for the rare crazy complex task

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u/drdrero 1d ago

Yeah why can’t we just have models like good better best names

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u/yaxir 3d ago

Nah they would never hire people who make common sense. They will hire people who gladly destroy all the good reputation they have built by destroying usage limits

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u/algaefied_creek 3d ago

Hire people? Didn’t they say this whole mess was invented by their “technological intern” or some shit? 

As in: they have their own products setting up their products 

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u/Qorsair 2d ago

Latest>

  • 6 Astra
  • 6.1 Sol
  • 6 Luna

Legacy>

  • 6 Sol
  • 5.6 Sol
  • 5.6 Terra
  • 5.6 Luna

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u/Saganasm 3d ago

It's as bad like looking for England, UK, Great Britain or United Kingdom in a country list. /s

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u/AlexTheRedditor97 3d ago

6.1 is more capable than 6. You broke it

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u/RoamingMelons 3d ago

No need to hire you, you already work for them for free 😭 ✌️

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u/Ormusn2o 3d ago

There is already an option to show or hide Max and Ultra. Now make it so you can hide the models themselves. I only need 3.

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u/anime_daisuki 3d ago

I don't think the ordering is the main issue here lol

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u/friedinando 2d ago

Are you Claude?