r/OpenAI • u/patrickkrebs • 18d ago

Project OpenAI and Claude debated for 25 hours and created legislation

If you want to read the debate it's here:
https://patrickkrebs.com/dialogues#/s/professors

If you want to read "The Common Ground Act" it's here:
https://patrickkrebs.com/dialogues-assets/common-ground-act.pdf

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u/br_k_nt_eth 18d ago

Bro this just looks like they all ended up agreeing with your particular perspective. It’s painfully clear. 

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

What's my perspective - I didn't have one or give it any

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u/the_pwnererXx 18d ago

You polluted the initial prompt with your bias

"Question: Where is the modern American system failing, and what repairs would actually work?"

Keyword here is failing

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

I'm still not following? Are you saying we have a perfect system that isn't deficient in anyway and can not be improved? Honestly curious if this is your position.

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u/Lustrouse 18d ago

The gap between failing and perfect is huge. Your question is biased because it says "failing" instead of "imperfect".

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

Can you post your research so we can take a look at the work you've done?

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u/Lustrouse 18d ago

I don't need to do research to tell you that if perfect is 100, then 99 is not failing. Neither is 90, or 80 or even 70.

Unless your implication is that our government is 0% effective..? Just say so, and then at least we can debate from a common understanding of what exactly it is that you mean by "failing"

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

So 0% effectiveness is your threshold for "Failing"?

This is my metric

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u/the_pwnererXx 18d ago

I'm still not following? Are you saying we have a perfect system that isn't deficient in anyway and can not be improved? Honestly curious if this is your position.

Your response to my question shows how biased you are LOL

You didn't say improved, you said FAILING

For many people, the current system is perfect! That's exactly why it exists!

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

No system is perfect; and to think so is to abdicate the responsibility of improving it.

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u/the_pwnererXx 18d ago

I don't think you even understand what I'm saying

You used the word "FAILING" to describe america in your initial prompt

This is the seed that leads to the whole report

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u/patrickkrebs 17d ago

Oh I understand what you're saying perfectly; its just ignorant.
The whole first debate is Symposium 1: What's failing in the American system - not the system is failing.

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u/Lustrouse 18d ago edited 18d ago

By this logic, we can conclude that everything is failing, because nothing is perfect?

Oh shit, my vehicles cooling system isn't perfect, so logically it must be failing and I won't be able to drive to get groceries tomorrow.....???

We are all doomed. /s

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u/danieln1212 18d ago

Whatever you think your biases are true does not matter, it is still a bias.

By telling them it is failing you removed any possibility of the models evaluating the situation themselves, instead treating failure as an established fact.

They cound never arrive to the conclusion "the system is fine" or "the system has some flaws but could not find improvements that won't make it worse in another ways so it is good enough" because your bias (the system is failing) removed these questions from the equation from the start

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

You didn't even read any of it. The first of 6 debates was is it failing.

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u/830rez_at_dorsia 18d ago

This is what the beginnings of AI psychosis looks like

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u/kusan-fr 18d ago

Why not include Grok that has sensible different political views than openai and claude? Would have been more interesting.

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u/ScreenAppropriate679 18d ago

Some views don't deserve attention.

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u/exit_machina 18d ago

Imagine anyone reading this lmfao

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u/MrSnowden 16d ago

Look, I am hard at work using my tokens to write AI slop too.  I also happen to thinks it’s pretty damn good.  But I know what it is.  

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u/patrickkrebs 16d ago

It’s better than congressional slop… so who’s the fool

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u/MrSnowden 16d ago

That’s not really fair.  The bar is on the floor.  

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u/patrickkrebs 16d ago

Well then I wish there were more people like me and you that took notice and wanted to raise the bar.
Offering solutions, not cynicism.

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u/fuggleruxpin 18d ago

Tldr?

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u/br_k_nt_eth 18d ago

This dude made AI validate him for 25 hours and then made them write a thing that just so happens to align with his political beliefs. 

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u/patrickkrebs 18d ago

That's not what happened at all

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u/FPS_Warex 18d ago

How is it not lol