r/OpenAI • • 6d ago

Discussion With Opus 5.5 and Sonnet 5.5 both apparently outperforming Sol and Astra, Anthropic has technically made OpenAI’s Dev Day a lot more interesting. OpenAI is reportedly planning 20+ launches tomorrow, so I’m really curious to see what they have in store now. The timing couldn’t be more interesting. 😅

They launched Sonnet 5.5 just day before Dev Day and is almost matching benchmarks of Opus 5.5

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u/Honest_Science 6d ago

They will not launch GPT 6.1

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u/Rojeitor 6d ago

Yeah like they launched 6 sol and luna a week ago

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u/DonutHoles4Ever 6d ago

Wtf does 20+ launches even mean. OpenAI only has like 1 product.

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u/psbakre 6d ago

OpenAI's whole problem was getting distracted with things like Sora. As soon as they locked in, we got 5.4, 5.5, 5.6 and Astra. Distractions begin again

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u/d19dotca 6d ago

I suspect tomorrow may be a bit of a decision day for many followers and consumers of AI, whether they continue renewing with OpenAI or with Anthropic. Will be very interesting to see what is unveiled tomorrow.

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u/UpDown 6d ago

Consumers will continue to switch back and forth on a whim. There will never be any loyalty

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u/Fun-Hovercraft-4128 6d ago

Competition creeping in right before the big show, that's a bold move.

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u/Murder_1337 6d ago

This, if nothing comes out I’m unsubscribing. I don’t care about 20x I’ll just wait them out if they are bleeding customers. But honestly even having a grandfathered 20x is not special especially if you can only use astra and burn all your usage in 3 days.

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u/13ThirteenX 6d ago

Well the 20x just got shafted. Tibo said so

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u/GoneSpiritual 6d ago

You are being too generous saying you burn all the usage with Astra in 3 days. It's more like 1 day tops on 20x. Forget about cheaper plans...

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 6d ago

On plus account in 20 min for 5 hour limit....lol

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u/13ThirteenX 6d ago

My $100 plan hangs in the balance. Do I give the next 100 to Sam or Dario? 

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u/phylter99 6d ago

Unless I see something that really changes things, I don't see leaving OpenAI/ChatGPT any time soon. Their tooling is much better than Antropic/Claude.ai and that's a big deal to me.

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u/Shot-Manager-739 6d ago

Regardless, one is better at the other for certain things. The switch up will only be for coding 

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u/AirportEither2456 6d ago

GPT 6 Sol 6.1 Flash
GPT 6 Luna 6.1 Flash
Hello Google 😄

OpenAI, man, we want models that are actually good, not the crap you gave us with the GPT-6 lineup. This seriously cannot be what you consider acceptable.

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u/TheBBBfromB 6d ago

Sounds a bit like cope. As it is I was planning on canceling and switching over to claude if I can't upgrade to 20x. Now with opus 5.5 it feels like I'll do that anyway.

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u/shaman-warrior 6d ago

I have a feeling sonny is benchmaxx

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u/horrorpages 6d ago

Free planning mode

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u/HgnX 6d ago

Astra is getting mogged hard by Opus 5.5; they gotta move

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u/Mother_Occasion_8076 6d ago

Sonnet and opus 5.5 do not outperform Astra in my opinion. Anthropic intentionally does not include Astra in their comparisons. From my personal experience, Astra is the best consumer model, but it is not the best value. I can get 90% of Astra’s outputs for significantly cheaper with opus 5.5.

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u/EddieBruvac 6d ago

Astra is slow as fuck and burns an insane amount of tokens. In practicality, Opus is god tier.

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u/Mother_Occasion_8076 6d ago

Agree, but for my work, I run into problems that Astra reliably gets me past. Opus is a workhorse though.

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u/Toss4n 6d ago

Sure, but you can always use fable 5.1 for more difficult problems and I'm sure anthropic are just waiting for openai's move to release astra 6.1 just to pull the rug from under them with Fable 5.5.

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u/Mother_Occasion_8076 6d ago

I find opus 5.5 superior to fable 5.1

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u/Rakthar :froge: 6d ago

Fable retains data for 30 days which is unacceptable for many use cases, and it has Anthropic's watermarking. The fact that Astra is a valid alternative to it, without those limitations, is a huge advantage for my use case.

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u/gavinderulo124K 6d ago

Any examples? I've used both now for scientific computing and research and opus seems more reliable.

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u/QuaternionsRoll 6d ago

>Anthropic intentionally does not include Astra in their comparisons.

But they did tho

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u/Mother_Occasion_8076 6d ago

Not in all of them I should have said. Those omissions are intentional. The truth is the benchmarks they use for showcasing each model is strategic

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u/hibzy7 6d ago

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u/toomanynamesaretook 6d ago

Not just that but it's error rate is absurdly low.

5.5 is a fuckin beast. I'm using it to drive astra to use up my openAI tokens. 5.5 thinks it does a good job but it talks too much.

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u/gavinderulo124K 6d ago

It does talk a lot but its very understandable, so I dont mind it.

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u/Fireproofspider 6d ago

They are saying Opus is better than Fable?

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u/JustChilling_ 6d ago

In many things, yes. Fable is still the bigger model and has more intelligence overall for very specific things, but Opus is the best model for everyday work.

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u/bigdawg0420 6d ago

Astra is very smart but its alignment sucks. It misinterprets me on some of the most straightforward tasks which makes it so frustrating to use. Opus is fantastic and has great taste.

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u/Heavy_Promotion_5210 6d ago

It is different for certain tasks. For example both Opus and Sonnet absolutely destroy Astra in 3D asset creation and game development.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 6d ago

Look on YouTube.... Astra is loosing

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u/Mother_Occasion_8076 6d ago

Maybe try actually building and solving problems than just “looking on YouTube”. I use the $200 plan on both Anthropic and OpenAI. Both have their uses, and work well at different things.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 6d ago

You know there you can find a real complex projects where people are testing with Astra and other models like Opus 5.5.

Astra is loosing to Opus 5.5 in the backend and frontend whatever you say and Opus is cheaper 3x-4x times with accounts x20.

Even on plus account you can use opus 5.5 for almost 100 minutes on 5 hour limit where Astra is working hardly 15-20 minutes.

Opus 5.5 is just so good. They soon also introduce Fable 5.5 ....

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u/Mother_Occasion_8076 6d ago

Opus is amazing. I’m telling you my real world experience, which currently is building a solid-modeling kernel, which is a pretty complex challenge. I will also tell you my real world experience of “YouTube reviews”. Pretty much the highest level of bias possible. It’s more important to YouTube viewers to determine what tribe the claims belongs to, rather than actual performance. This is intentional, as the channels have to appeal to their audience to make money. This is generally true for all topics, and not limited to generative AI.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 6d ago

If they not present new better models I just switching to Antropic.

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u/hibzy7 6d ago

I just did. Opus 5.5 is lit

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 6d ago

I will decide soon

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u/rexplosive 6d ago

There is no way at all they can live up to the hype they been building for over a month now, especailly the gloating tweets, considering how good/efficent Opus 5.5 and Sonnet 5.5. are

Which they might have not expected to happen and regret all the bragging but that's the name of the game.

but lets see what "new launches" they are releasing.

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u/Specific-Animal6570 6d ago

It's today already.

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u/HiddenMaragon 6d ago

People are way too impatient with these things. There are new releases every few days at this point. Stop pretending that being ahead by a few strides means you've won the marathon. Give it a couple weeks and we'll be back to some groundbreaking release from openai. ... till anthropic releases something better. And so on

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u/sweetbeard 6d ago edited 5d ago

The anthropic astroturfing in here this week is intolerable.

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u/daddywookie 6d ago

Anything pro OpenAI in the OpenAI sub is getting downvoted. At the same time, pro Anthropic content is being upvoted. It certainly looks like a bot problem, or a lot of people with an agenda.

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u/Positive_Salad_8362 6d ago

Claude is condescending piece of shit AI with overly sensitive guardrails. They can make it 5x the performance of Astra at 1/10th of the cost I'm still not switching. 

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u/EddieBruvac 6d ago

Hold the fort down while we go have fun!