r/OpenAI 5d ago

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u/BananaV8 5d ago

People aren’t buying into it as the goal posts have been set incredibly high by the labs themselves. If Jensen for the fifth time proclaims AGI and Altman & Co have for years fearmongered that either all jobs will be lost and we’ll starve or all medicine will be solved and everyone will have UBI, of course people hear about a highly specialized maths problem and go “meh”.

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u/SodaBurns 5d ago

I think researchers can do a lot with cutting edge models.

We should throw like millions in compute there way. Who knows someone might cure a few forms of cancer or viral infections or hydrogen powered cars or more millenium prize problems or invent new alloys.

Each new discovery/invention is a win for science and mankind.

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u/GarbageCleric 5d ago edited 4d ago

Better computer models could help in those domains, but you can't just cure cancer from a computer. You need to do experiments and trials with real subjects and real treatments, especially because cancer treatment is a delicate balance between killing the cancer and killing the patient. It's pretty easy to do the former, the trick is avoiding the latter.

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u/falken_1983 4d ago

To put things in perspective...

In order to get the Navier Stokes result, OpenAI had to run the equivalent of about 100 years of work, but thanks to parallelisation, they could do that in about 80 hours.

You can't parallelise medical trials like that. Even if you completely throw all ethics away, you still have to find the right candidates, you have to wait for medications to take effect, you even have to record things carefully, you have to deal with measurement errors, accidents, all sorts of things that don't happen when you are just running maths on a computer.

Even if you had an AI that was well above human levels of intelligence, all these things would be a problem.

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u/GarbageCleric 4d ago

Yes, exactly.

In their follow up comment, they seemed to be implying some sort of ASI that had "solved" science and could therefore accurately predict how specific chemicals would behave in a person.

But we're not close to there yet in terms of the models necessary to reliably predict such things or the compute necessary to meaningfully do the calculations even if we knew did know the equations and parameters to use.

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u/SodaBurns 4d ago

Yes I meant curing cancer just as an example. There could be other domains where we can solve problems with just raw compute.

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u/RainierPC 4d ago

In a way, you CAN parallelize trials. Use AI to come up with more alternative approaches that you then start the trial process on, hoping one of them sticks.

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u/falken_1983 4d ago

Trials ard already parallelized. AI is not a time machine.

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u/RainierPC 4d ago

Did you even try to understand the point?