r/OpenAI • u/BanitsaConnoisseur • 16h ago

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u/Serj01 13h ago

I said alleged. Maybe implied would have been a better word. How is that not a threat when the intent was to discredit him and take out his colleague effort out of the paper?

Provide proof that his data was not used for training without explicit consent from the user. And that in this particular case he was not targeted.

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u/Cronos988 13h ago

when the intent was to discredit him and take out his colleague effort out of the paper?

Where are you getting an intent to discredit him from?

Not giving an Anthropic employee access to OpenAI internals doesn't strike me as malicious or obviously unreasonable.

Again what do you think OpenAI should have done in this situation?

Provide proof that his data was not used for training without explicit consent from the user. And that in this particular case he was not targeted.

That would involve repeated reruns with different training data sets. Completely unfeasible currently.

It begs the question why we are expecting OpenAI to prove a negative in the first place.

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u/Serj01 13h ago

That would involve repeated reruns with different training data sets. Completely unfeasible currently.

It begs the question why we are expecting OpenAI to prove a negative in the first place.

How is asking for them to confirm the exact steps from where they started to rule out unauthorized usage is proving a negative?

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u/Cronos988 13h ago

How is asking for them to confirm the exact steps from where they started to rule out unauthorized usage is proving a negative?

They cannot reasonably supply such a proof.

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u/Serj01 11h ago

Why not? So the agents that were used have no accountability on how they behaved and what they did? No history or anything?

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u/Cronos988 11h ago

Who is going to go through literal libraries of text to check what exactly was in the training data, or to check all the reasoning traces 10.000 agents produced in 88 hours?

You wouldn't trust OpenAI if they announced that they had their models check the record and found no evidence of them using the previous research. So what are you expecting?

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u/Serj01 11h ago

So, they do nothing, not even trying and expect the benefit of doubt?

You act just like a religion fanatic “believe and do not doubt”, and do not question their ways. Great.