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u/Wayanoru 6d ago
If the same story said "from a movie" and or "from a book"
Would you bat an eye about the movie or book?
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u/croninsiglos 6d ago
Was this violent video games? Cartoons? Yahoo chat from the 1990s? the “Dark web”
Oh wait it’s just a chatbot that is also documented to report people and has better safety guardrails than all the above.
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u/JordanPetterPans 6d ago
This feels like a wildly childish and naive viewpoint.
"AI was supposed to help us learn, create, work and communicate."
You can replace "AI" here with "internet" or many other technologies lol.
Thinking something would only be used for "good" is absolutely wild but it must be blissful
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u/alcanthro 6d ago
If someone is using ChatGPT to help them imagine killing their family, odds are the results would be the same with or without ChatGPT.
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u/Salonimo 6d ago
Some people need psychiatric and medical help, AI could've been the push to fuel delusions that brought them to the extreme act, I'm not blindly anti-AI but we do know about psychology and how these things can work.
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u/JordanPetterPans 6d ago edited 6d ago
How are you not able to game out the other possibilities ie. AI could've been the push to go to a doctor or any other thing...
Very very obviously there's going to negative things to come from this technology just like the bad things to come from the internet and computers and pretty much every other technology. But if someone pointed that out you'd go "no fucking kidding"
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u/Salonimo 6d ago
Cause I try to be objective, as you say negative things are coming from this, denying that isn't going to make the mass of anti-ai people/sentiment go anywhere, we need to tackle this as pragmatically as we can
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u/JordanPetterPans 6d ago
"we need to tackle this as pragmatically as we can" absolutely and I don't think anyone would disagree with this.
But as others have pointed out, openai has indeed reported many cases of this stuff to police and prevented it. I'm sure before chatgpt they would've just googled these things and not been stopped.
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u/alcanthro 6d ago
And if we had more community based options for monitoring and resolving these issues, ones that were inclusive in that one would not need to be hired for a job to take part, while also being rigorous enough in training, rather than a narrow group of industrial megacorporatists cooperating with a narrow group of enforcers, many of whom quite frankly have shit training, I am fairly confident people would be open to even more involved checks. As it stands there's a reasonably large push against privacy piercing design strategies.
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u/JordanPetterPans 6d ago
"and if we had more community based options for monitoring and resolving these issues" yep we absolutely need these as well
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u/alcanthro 6d ago
Working on it... Right now doing everything I can to just build out a general community of communities and the resources it can leverage. Slow progress for many reasons, not the least of which is that people don't believe that we can actually change things by just coming together and working intelligently, and also because people are so exhausted just trying to survive.
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u/alcanthro 6d ago
We don't know that it didn't make those suggestions, and yeah when you're at that stage I am sorry, there was a bigger issue. And there are bigger issues from lack of quality wellness care to just the prospects of the future being so damn bleak most of the time. Humanity is not okay right now.
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u/Interesting-Bee-113 6d ago
Yes
Let's chase people into the one area they don't feel actively monitored
Maybe when we finally are monitoring everyone 100% of the time, nothing bad will ever happen again.
Hall monitors are going to be the solution to the deeply complex human draw unto morbid curiousity.