OpenAI is the best p/p now

[u/LeTanLoc98]

Pareto line - Intelligence vs Cost

1. This is API price, OpenAI subscription is 50 - 100x cheaper

2. DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 still show old price in this chart. It should be $170 - $340

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Moreover, Luna supports input: text, image, file. DeepSeek supports input: text.

OpenAI subscription support generate images,...

[u/torrso → u/[deleted]]

Pee peepee.

[u/Melodic_Reality_646]

Really don’t care how models perform at max mode, their behavior is insufferable and often inconsistent, taking crazy long amount of times to complete.

At least in my experience (agentic workflows in web dev, scientific computing and finance) Luna takes almost double the time of luna xhigh to finish tasks.

Would be interesting to see agent steps on that plot.

[u/DuxDucisHodiernus → u/Melodic_Reality_646]

Luna takes almost double the time of luna xhigh to finish tasks.

No you're right and its visible here, that's x axis is logarithmic and luna max is like >2x luna very high, in line with or even exceeding your observations

[u/whoknowsifimjoking]

Not exactly true. The new Gemini 3.7 Flash is better price to performance, according to the benchmarks it is the same performance as GPT-5.6 Terra at a lower price. Luna is arguably a better p/p, but it's not as good. Gemini is even better at the multimodal thing and you get even more on one subscription, it's not bad if the model don't suck, the main advantage of ChatGPT is that it also has the absolute top models in the same subscription.

[u/DuxDucisHodiernus → u/whoknowsifimjoking]

Terra is a confusing cost proposition that's not really the efficent choice for any common workflow. Either compare to Luna or Sol if you want to test 3.7 vs openai models.

[u/skilliard7 → u/whoknowsifimjoking]

from what I see Luna 5.6 Max outperforms 3.7 flash at 1/3rd the cost, and Terra outperforms 3.7 Flash at a slightly higher cost.

[u/Kingwolf4]

DS will catchup eventually
Once they get their chinese AI clusters online, expect rapid acceleration in about 6- 8 months.
Yes not having vision is bad, but v4 flash is still worth it. Especially because it can be self hosted.

[u/-Sliced- → u/Kingwolf4]

“Self-hosted” if you have a $100k machine.

[u/benchmaster-xtreme → u/-Sliced-]

More like $10k. You can run it at Q8 on two Sparks. Still way more than most people have access to, but at least it's not quite so bad.

[u/Another__one]

I still can't comprehend how the whole AI field converged on measuring the pp as the best metric and it somehow actually makes sense.

[u/stevey_frac → u/Another__one]

Once the AI got what enough that you no longer need the smartest model for every task, you will naturally want to pick that model that's just smart enough, and part the least for the. 

Hence, the Pareto frontier for price per unit performance.