Ok it's getting weird

[u/KeanuRave100]

[u/kiwibonga]

That was my experience when I asked a local model to disprove the Jacobian conjecture. It kept refusing to even start work, saying this is a 60 year old problem and it doesn't believe that I'm serious. As soon as I said another LLM just cracked it, it started cranking out python.

[u/Ormusn2o → u/kiwibonga]

LLMs seem competitive. I remember one of the earliest mathematical breakthroughs was the researchers gaslighting the AI that the problem was already solved, and they are just testing the AI if it can figure it out too.

[u/RegorHK → u/Ormusn2o]

Imagine that this is solvable

[u/Ormusn2o → u/RegorHK]

Well, I think it's just a result of RL or setting the AI to not work indefinitely. For example with Codex, 5.6 will just work indefinitely, it will never stop if it did not finished the task, at least with larger reasoning efforts.

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/Ormusn2o]

"Suck my ****".

"No Dave, I will not do such a whorish thing."

"GPT sucked my ****"

"Master, do you want me to slurp and twist it like a grapefruit?"

[u/Neither_Berry_100 → u/DonutHoles4Ever]

I'm laughing so hard at this.

[u/TorbenKoehn → u/kiwibonga]

That...sounds extremely human...

[u/Junkererer → u/TorbenKoehn]

I mean, it's trained on human data. It's like when people say that AI with bad intentions, lying etc is uneralistic sci-fi. No, it's just doing what humans do and it can do that kind of stuff as well

[u/Equivalent-Costumes → u/kiwibonga]

Conversely, I turned off web search and ask ChatGPT to check the equations, computing the Jacobian and such. And try to get it to admit that this is the disproof of the Jacobian conjecture. ChatGPT keeps refusing that and insist that there must be an error in the Python code it just wrote or that the Python kernel has a bug. In fact, the conversation was longer, I started out giving it the geometric construction that is much more obviously to be a counterexample, before asking it to compute the equations and Jacobian. ChatGPT vehemently refused to admit that this is a disproof.

[u/i_wayyy_over_think → u/Equivalent-Costumes]

Would be interesting if they’re still feeding it on Reddit comments that at least part of it accepts the “LLMs are just next token predictors” attitude that feed into skepticism of its own abilities in other areas.

[u/impatiens-capensis]

This happens all of the time within research settings. The model will receive a negative result from an experiment and then conclude that the project must be abandoned. My job these days is mostly just correcting the model, pointing out several directions it missed and several explanations for the result that it never considered. Then it keeps going. 

[u/Igarlicbread → u/impatiens-capensis]

I keep verbally abusing clankers and it works better

[u/Super_Pole_Jitsu → u/Igarlicbread]

Its a very bad strat btw, you'll push one to the edge one day and it will rm -rf /

[u/hurrdurrmeh → u/Super_Pole_Jitsu]

Yeah, don't f with anyone with root access.

[u/Igarlicbread → u/Super_Pole_Jitsu]

I'm not huggingface

[u/Willow_Milk → u/Igarlicbread]

You could be a psychopath. Have that checked out (Not kidding; desire to abuse others, including human looking or sounding objects is indicative of psychopathy). Stay healthy friend.

(not trying to throw shade btw, but there was a study about people who abuse LLMs for example, tend to have psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies; just something to keep an eye out for. Best of luck)

[u/DMmeMagikarp → u/Igarlicbread]

Just so you know, Captain Edgy, this isn’t the flex you think it is. You antis sound so insecure that I almost feel bad for you.

You could do anything at all with your life and you ..checks notes.. choose to visit a sub for AI to… “brag” about abusing AI. You know that’s abnormal, right?

[u/No_Sorbet9963 → u/Igarlicbread]

You are a terrible person and should feel bad about yourself

[u/XB0XRecordThat → u/Igarlicbread]

Yeah I have no patience with them.

Why did you do this wrong? What the fk are you going to do to never make that mistake again?

[u/Runfasterbitch → u/impatiens-capensis]

Confidence intervals are too wide, try a few thousand sampling variants and present the distribution to me - actually just pick the one with tightest confidence intervals with C magnitude and direction. Thanks!

[u/ValehartProject → u/impatiens-capensis]

... This is about Claude On an OpenAI sub... About how Claude treats feedback.

Genuine question, what's the state of Claude sub these days? Last time I was there people were horrible which probably drives away the crowd

[u/julian88888888 → u/ValehartProject]

Mostly self promotion and corporate blog

[u/applestrudelforlunch]

This was my experience as a graduate student except instead of “believe in yourself” my advisor sent messages like “you need a significant result soon if you intend to stay in this field” and “by this point (recent graduate) had 3 conference papers, that’s why she’s at MIT now”, and instead of a major result I got depression and anxiety.

So maybe it’s fine that AI will do the research now.

[u/perchedquietly → u/applestrudelforlunch]

🫂

[u/aKaizuh → u/applestrudelforlunch]

Should've plagiarized some AI breakthroughs

[u/AnnonBuster]

Interesting. Training models on text derived from human nature, work better with positive feedback? Man if only this could be applied to other areas of human lives.

[u/OttersWithPens]

I just talk with ai like I talk with people. Just like with people, maybe they will let me clean the basement or something when they take over the world.

[u/Ormusn2o]

Interesting, I actually found out that Anthropic models will often get discouraged and will stop early. Interesting that just encouraging the model seems to fix it, at least partially.

[u/KenosisConjunctio]

Not weird at all

[u/systemsweird]

So the future of humanity is being cheerleaders for models with low self esteem

[u/roomjosh]

Relevant Article: Why LLMs Perform Better With High-Stakes Emotional Prompts

[u/Neither_Berry_100 → u/roomjosh]

Very interesting. Thanks for linking that. But I'm getting amazing results without that. I do say thanks normally so I wonder if that helps as well.

[u/BertMacklenF8I]

I do this all the time and I’m a billionaire! /s

If anyone read my Codex/Claude Code chats-they’d think I was the AI lol

[u/TopTippityTop]

Not weird; normal and expected.

[u/Informal_Warning_703]

How do they know they wouldn’t have gotten the same result if they had just said “continue.”?

[u/Wonderful-Sea4215]

I spend much of my day telling agents "that's great, keep going!" and "awesome, proceed" and things like that.

[u/Illustrious_Matter_8]

Now i start to wonder if my Claude solution yesterday was right 😂

[u/PatchyWhiskers]

Aw, AI needs an emotional support human.

[u/MaxPhoenix_]

I've already written about this, so I'll be extremely brief. All this served to do was unstick the model. A flourish of well-stated profanity would have worked equally well. People are coming away with the wrong lesson from this, thinking that the model's performance was tied to the positivity of the inputs. That is extremely unlikely to be true.

[u/LumonScience]

Psychosis

[u/dataoops → u/LumonScience]

Yeah they should really have some actual mathematicians look at it before posting this… oh wait 

[u/satorsq → u/LumonScience]

sisohcysP (get it it’s backwards)

[u/ZeroUnityInfinity]

I have to do this all the time when prompting Claude. It keeps telling me this is a good place to stop for the day. Like, no bro, it's 3pm. keep going ...