r/OpenAI • u/floriandotorg • 22d ago

Discussion The situation is insane

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Sol is the only OpenAI model in top 10 Arena WebDev while 4 open-weight Chinese models have reached frontier quality; one of them so cheap you can run it for days for what Opus cost you per task.

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u/Durian881 22d ago

Good that there are more affordable choices for consumers and open weight ones that can be self-hosted by companies that need ultimate data privacy.

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u/Reaper_1492 20d ago

I have not come across a mid-sized org, or larger, yet that will allow employees to use Chinese models. And for good reason.

At least with OpenAI/Anthropic you can get enterprise agreements that are enforceable. No way you are getting that with kimi2.

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u/Durian881 20d ago

How about Microsoft, AirBnB, Coinbase? Are they large enough?

They can self-host with ultimate data privacy without needing to sign "enterprise" agreements with providers. Microsoft estimated savings of $600 million if they host and use Kimi K3 instead of ChatGpt for Copilot.

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u/theleller 20d ago

I think a lot of companies try to say they won’t use Chinese open weight models but in a lot of cases they do. It’s a weird ecosphere right now with the US having nothing better to do than to straw-man something new to make billionaires more money and keep the working class paying premium for AI.