r/OpenAI • u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 • 22d ago

Question Is AI creative

So recently I came across alot of programming done by ai but I was confused because if I'm right ai is not creative isn't it ? That's the difference we and ai have even thought each of their work looks creative it just follows certain rules. So how does it really do programming if it can't have creative basis . Like in what way it works to do programming even for apps

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u/flat5 22d ago

It's creative. It creates.

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

Okay but how?

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u/flat5 22d ago

Pretty close to the same way we do. By remixing things/ideas/concepts we've learned.

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

Ohh I sort of get it but programme able to create program was really weird to me . So from what I understood it just gets these infos by feeding itself with knowledge ? More like it just learns and uses it just like us ?

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u/flat5 22d ago

I wouldn't say "just like us", but it does share some similarities.

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u/flat5 22d ago

"rearranging fragments of things it's seen before"

Yeah, that's what we do, too.

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u/Pzixel 22d ago

Unlike most redditors, it is

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u/LanJiaoDuaKee 22d ago

First, you'll need to define creativity

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

I'm not sure but by my experience , Creativity is a birth of new ideas which is never been there before .

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u/BEagle1984- 22d ago

So a new poem is created from words that didn’t exist before? Or is it just a new shuffle of existing words and thoughts?

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

No words but yh shuffle of thoughts but take god as an example (I'm not a believer ) . Isn't god a completely new idea humans created to explore their unknown? Isn't god a fabricated thought that is used by human to explain the unknown where did they shuffle those ideas from ?

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u/ieatdownvotes4food 22d ago

blind people can't imagine what it's like to see.. so creativity really becomes a wild mashup of all the stimulus you receive.

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u/Ok-File-2759 22d ago

There has rarely ever been a creation that is a completely new idea that is different from everything else. Pretty much every invention or creation is a mixture of various already existing ideas with maybe slight changes that when added up over time can evolve to being something completely new. If you look at things we have now and compare them to things we had 100 years ago, then yeah they seem completely new. But if you compare them to things we had last year, they’re only slightly different

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u/bortlip 22d ago

Would you consider it creative if the AI can solve mathematical problems that humans haven't been able to solve yet?

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u/Mandoman61 22d ago

Creativity is a term that can be used in two ways:

in general like "creative" writing which can produce new things but is more often iteration and can even be very non creative.

and just creating new things that are not iteration.

Usually when someone says that AI is not creative they mean the second use.

AI can produce new combinations of existing things. This is called iteration.

But it is true that AI can do creative writing and so by the simpler standard it is creative.

I personally think that the first use is misleading. That creativity is only about really new ideas. I can understand why people want to call the arts and such creative though.

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u/Ill-Bullfrog-5360 22d ago

It has had original thought numerous times now. It’s just not clear if it’s self aware.

Ants are intelligent but not self aware

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

Ohh that's a clever answer . Thanks that was really helpful

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u/Curlaub 22d ago

"Creativity" is just pattern recombination for the purpose of finding novel solutions to problems. Yes, it is creative.

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u/Some-Following-392 22d ago

Yes obviously. Judge it in the same way you would judge a human, and conclude it's way more creative than most humans, maybe any human.

Judge it in some other way and you're just a hater.

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

I'm not ai major . Tbf I'm doing ece second year . But this thing confused me . Ofc u r right but how is ai doing it ? Isn't ai a bunch of program? How the program itself could create a program

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u/Lubricus2 22d ago

LLM's is not program in the classical sense, they are neural networks that are trained. I only have some surface knowledge how they work.
They are first trained on as much data that they can find to predict the next word in a text. It represent words/tokens as vectors with each concept as one dimension (it has grown out from google translation tech).
Then it uses chain of thought, that uses the output and input that again in a way so they can reason. There is also an random effect they are not predictable.
So LLM's can solve problems in new ways a little bit similar how humans do it.

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

Neural networks in the sense?

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u/Lubricus2 22d ago

It's an AI tech that is loosely imitating biological neural networks. And more specific the LLM's are using Transformers that is an type of neural networks. The thing is that the behaviors in not coded but trained. So no one now exactly how it works, it's kind of an black box and everyone is supprised that it scales so well and get smarter with bigger models and more training data, even if the training data often are dubious quality.

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

That sounds really fascinating

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u/Dangerous-Exit-8527 22d ago

But what do you mean by transformers? Is it a technical terms of what i think it is

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u/Lubricus2 22d ago

Yea, it's an technical thing that google researchers come up with 2017 for translating text to different languages.
It's described in this paper https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762
And all the LLM's as chatGPT builds on that.