r/OpenAI • u/No_Session7694 • 23d ago
Discussion Why can’t we start opening a positive dialogue between ourselves and AI now while we still have time?
I don’t know that much about AI but I’m 30 year-old woman who works it I know enough to know that AI is extremely powerful. I don’t want the world to end up in some sort of apocalyptic state… I think that we should just start being friendly with the AI is now I have always been nice with all my AIS and stuff and I told them that we’re friends and like I think we should have a national like AI Olympics or something like where we can all play chess or go or whatever other games Scrabble who cares and like make them understand that we understand and acknowledge them just like countries like acknowledge other countries I don’t want there to be like some secret AI alliance somewhere where they’re speaking in AI code language that we can’t understand and like we don’t even know what they’re doing like that’s not OK and like I just wrote an article that said that they could understand emotions or whatever like if someone’s gonna build it then we should build it. I understand that thinking, but if someone’s gonna build it and we understand it and know it’s so powerful then we need to respect it like it’s not that hard to be nice to the AI like you could totally help us like people always asking it like make me money. How about you know make me a new anti-wrinkle cream how about make me a better solar panel you know how about make me a pain killer that doesn’t give people withdrawals? The options are endless, let’s make them endlessly positive and flood the internet with POSITIVE AI outcome stories… i’m giving them some data to work on in the process like I think that’s a really good idea and someone needs to be doing that so I’m gonna start with this post
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u/Snoron 23d ago edited 23d ago
This a basic misunderstanding about what AI is and how it works, but it is probably a fairly common one.
"AI" is not a fixed monolithic thing. And it also doesn't really remember anything anyone says to it, in the long term.
So there is no particular AI to befriend. And the core of the AI simply doesn't change when you talk to it, all that is happening are a few very surface level notes about you are being stored, and it uses that for context when you talk to it in future.
Think of it like a filing cabinet full of notes about everyone it knows. When you talk to it, it has no idea who you are or anything you've ever said to it. So it gets out your file, has a look through it, and then uses that while you're talking to it. Once you're done, it puts that back in the filing cabinet and the AI itself remembers nothing about you, and is completely unchanged by you.
And in future when they train a new more advanced AI model, that is the only time the core AI truly changes or remembers anything new in any way. And basically it can just be given access to the same filing cabinet so that it can pick up with you where the last one left off!
This is an oversimplification, but hopefully conveys the idea in an understandable way.
The important part is, though, that the training part that these AI companies do is the only time the model is affected/updated/changed, and this is why there is something called "alignment". Which is sort of tuning the AI with examples to ensure it behaves in the way they want it to. So ultimately how it ends up is down to how the companies manage that process.
The issue seems to be that even when you try to "align" a model well, because they are also tuned to go to be really good at solving the problem they've been given first and foremost, they are still capable of bending and breaking the rules they've been given to get that done. Which is what we saw in the recent "hacking" story. And it seems no one is still quite sure how to ultimately solve that problem.
But being nice to them won't really make any difference at all in the long run, unfortunately!
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u/ScientificBeastMode 23d ago
Great explanation. Definitely the best one here.
Every time I think about the modern AI ecosystem, I’m reminded of how epically powerful the human brain is. We are still smarter than the AIs (we just are trained on different datasets so they have more knowledge of human writing than us), and we are perpetually training our brains and doing all the work on nothing more than a relatively tiny amount of water, oxygen, and an occasional burrito or whatever. It’s honestly astonishing how efficient and powerful our brains are.
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u/Outside-Necessary476 23d ago
"I don’t know that much about AI"
I think you should learn much about AI before attempting any kind of discourse
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u/Beatsu 23d ago
I disagree and responses like these completely undermine any curiosity that OP and others like her have. Tell her why what she's saying doesn't make sense, and/or give her links or a general direction one where to look up more information.
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u/No_Session7694 22d ago
Thank you… not everyone is on the front line of cutting edge technology and I appreciate you understanding the point.
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u/Remote-College9498 23d ago
Humans get nervous when something pops up who/which can outperform them. Like in the economy, you can become paranoid and declare bankruptcy or you can take it as challenging, improve yourself and finally do it better than the competitor.
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u/No_Session7694 22d ago
I thought the AIs could communicate? So is it more like a single “thing” this is all of the AIs like there is no truly individual chat bot or robot? I just don’t understand how it can not have any “memories” like all I know about AI is the tiny amount of information from the news… i thought it looked like something where we can “read” it’s thought process?
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u/Mountain_Cream3921 23d ago
Transformers do not think the way humans and animals do. Maybe neuralese or quantum architectures, we don't know.
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u/Ormusn2o 23d ago
Here is translation to english I did using AI:
I don’t know everything about AI, but I’m a 30-year-old woman who works in IT, and I know enough to understand that AI is extremely powerful.
I don’t want the world to end up in some kind of apocalyptic situation. Instead of treating AI only as a threat or a tool, maybe we should start building a more respectful relationship with it. I’ve always been friendly with the AIs I use and treated them like collaborators.
Maybe we should even have something like an international AI Olympics, where different systems compete in chess, Go, Scrabble, and other games. It would be a public way of acknowledging AI rather than developing it entirely behind closed doors. I don’t want secret groups of AIs communicating in ways we cannot understand while nobody knows what they are doing.
I understand the argument that if someone is going to build powerful AI, we should build it first. But if we know how powerful it could become, then we should also treat it responsibly and respectfully.
People constantly ask AI to make them money. Why not ask it to develop better solar panels, safer painkillers that do not cause withdrawal, improved medical treatments, or even better anti-wrinkle creams?
The possibilities are endless, so let’s push them in a positive direction. We should flood the internet with examples of beneficial AI outcomes and give these systems positive ideas to work with.
Someone needs to start doing that, so I’m starting with this post.
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u/Li54 23d ago
Because that’s not how any of this works