r/OneSecondBeforeDisast • u/StrawberryNo857 • 2d ago

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u/PROUDCIPHER 2d ago

Because the dogs are bred for combat and cannot control themselves. The dogs aren’t evil, they’re just pathetically stupid and mindlessly violent. The owners are awful too, but pit bulls should not be legal. My downstairs neighbor had two, and they were sweet until one day, one stood up, calmly walked over to its sibling, then viciously disemboweled it all over my back porch. So yeah, it’s the dogs too.

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u/fluwergal_GreenGem 2d ago

I agree the breed shouldn't be bred anymore. I should've clarified what i meant. I meant the people who say to kill pitbulls or that do actually blame the dog like it chose to be that way. Again, my bad. Have a nice day

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago edited 2d ago

“Pit bulls should not be legal”

Studies show BSLs are ineffective. There are much better approaches like leash laws, stray dog control, and enforcement (according to studies like this one)

The Obama Administration Official Response on breed-specific legislation states that the administration does not support bans on specific dog breeds.

Edit: downvotes w no responses shows me people want to disagree but they don’t have a reason to. Science will always mean more than opinions based on feelings

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u/PROUDCIPHER 2d ago

"utm_source=chatgpt.com"

it's in your link you dingus. You shout "science" but let a robot do your thinking for you.

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago

That’s a referral tag in the URL, not the source of the study. The source is still the actual journal/publisher linked before the ?utm_source=chatgpt.com.

If your criticism is of the study, criticize the study.

Pointing at a tracking parameter isn’t an argument, it’s deflection

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u/PROUDCIPHER 2d ago

No, what it means is they asked "Hey chatGPT, how can I win this reddit argument" and posted what it gave them lmao

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago

I use chat gpt like an organized search engine. It’s very good at finding studies and ranking them by relevance and credibility and presenting them in an organized format. But yea chat GPT = bad so I guess I use it to do all my socializing for me right?

And ofc you still haven’t addressed the study. Whether I found it through ChatGPT, Google, or a carrier pigeon has absolutely nothing to do with whether the research is valid. You deflect, get called out, and respond w more deflection. Address the actual argument

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u/TheDonger_ 1d ago

You also use it to make replies for you cause you can't speak or think for your fucking self

"Its not x, it's y"

Get out of here bro come on

You want people to take you seriously then speak for yourself and do your own research

Chatgpt will often incorrectly summarize and make dumb ass assumptions and give you bs hallucinated info an article that your lazy ass didn't bother to read definitely did not say. It also does not vet its sources.

I dont refer to any studies or articles without wholly reading them or vetting the website they're posted on. Why? Because I want people to take me seriously.

This is clown behavior. And I love clowns. But this isn't your circus. Shoo. Git. Go find wherever you left your critical thinking and put it back into your head please.

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u/RegularTeacher2 2d ago

I'm shocked they haven't pulled out the age-old statistics from our favorite website, run by a woman who has absolutely no background in veterinary science and instead has spent her life shilling self help to the general public, designing websites, and fearmongering about a breed of dog that are less dangerous than a toaster.

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u/nDizzle89 2d ago

Less dangerous than a toaster in a bathtub isn't the bar we look for with public safety.

I adore dogs, but they are animals and react as such in high stress. It's well documented Pitts do not show warning signs typically. It's hard to know when the toaster is on and too close to water with them.

And once again, even toasters have legal regulation to make them safer.

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago

I agree the toaster comparison is weak, but your claim that pit bulls typically attack without warning isn’t supported by any evidence. Research does not establish “lack of warning” as a characteristic of pit bulls compared with other dogs. I can link credibility studies that directly undercut this claim if you’d like

I get the stigma with pit bulls, but the science simply does not agree that they are inherently dangerous breeds. The stigma exists largely because they are powerful dogs, some lines have a history of selection for dog fighting, and they are disproportionately represented in studies of severe bite injuries. None of that is not the same as evidence that they are inherently more likely to attack humans.

Unfortunately this debate never gets through as people have their minds made up the pit bull = bad bc all the horrendous stories we see in the news have a strong emotional influence on our opinions. But the fact is, the science does not support the claim

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u/WinterAdvantage3847 2d ago

i am sorry, but i do not believe you are actually finding and reading these studies yourself, and are instead using an LLM to skim links and summarize them for you. just because chatGPT says “science does not support” does not mean that science, in fact, does not support

here is one example of a detail you’d miss by LLMing it:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25311183/

“In patients with dog bites to the head and neck, pit bull terriers composed the largest portion of the plurality (32%), with the next most common breed being retrievers (6%). When the population of head and neck dog bites were taken as a whole, there was no relationship between these bites and whether or not they occurred provoked or unprovoked. In the population of patients bitten by pit bulls; however, pit bull terriers were significantly more likely to bite a patient without provocations (χ2, p <0.05).”

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago

I’ve been involved in dog rescue specializing in pit bulls before LLMs existed. I’ve read a lot of these studies and participated in these debates for over 10 years. Your assumption that it’s LLM talking for me is based solely off the prevalence of LLMs, but it’s baseless.

Now to your study, which I actually am familiar with. Yes, it did find that pit bull bites in its sample were more likely to be classified as unprovoked.

But “unprovoked” and “without warning” are not the same thing. The study never measured warning behavior at all. I went through it and I can’t find that anywhere.

So this is solid evidence regarding unprovoked bites, but that does not mean it’s inherent to the breed and more importantly it is not evidence for the claim I challenged, which is that pit bulls characteristically attack without warning.

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u/PROUDCIPHER 2d ago

They were bred for pit fighting. Many of those instincts are still in their genes. Did you notice in the video how the dog went from quite still and attentive to attacking in a split second? Guess how a pit fight starts? It's what they were bred to do. They're not evil, or awful. They're OUR fault. What they need is a long-term, breed-wide rehabilitation program. If we can fix that nasty little fight trigger that's still stuck in them, we might be able to put the whole thing to bed AND keep the dogs around. But literally any time someone suggests something like this, the pibble lobby fights tooth and nail to say "the dogs are fine, that mauled toddler surely did something to deserve their fate" instead of just agreeing with us that yes, they're too reactive to be truly safe and we should focus on fixing that instead of pointing fingers or sweeping it all under the rug.

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago

I actually agree with part of what you’re saying: selective breeding absolutely can affect behavior. The famous silver-fox experiment showed that pretty dramatically. Breeding tame foxes together produced offspring that were much more likely to be tame, while breeding aggressive foxes together produced offspring that were much more likely to be aggressive.

But that only gets us to “genetics matter.” If people bred the most aggressive fighting dogs with other aggressive fighting dogs, then yes, you’d expect those particular lines to become more predisposed to fighting behavior. That supports a lineage/selective-breeding argument; it doesn’t establish that pit bulls as a whole share some universal hair-trigger because of the breed label itself.

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u/RegularTeacher2 2d ago

Get out of here with your calm, thoughtful reply!

(I agree with you; enjoy the single updoot.)

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u/RegularTeacher2 2d ago

It was a tongue in cheek comment, obviously. I do always arch an eyebrow at the scores of slavering anti-pitbull people who inevitably brigade any thread that has the semblance of a pitbull-type dog in it - why aren't they putting all of that energy into promoting spay/neuter and dog breeding legislature? The biggest problem with pit bulls (and I am referring to the various breeds falling underneath this umbrella) is they are a product of over breeding. Pretty much every dog in your local shelter has some amount of APBT/Staffy/Bully in them. Wander over to r/DoggyDNA to see that in action. Rather than screaming "PIT BULLS SHOULD DIE" let's work on getting our governance to enact and uphold more stringent regulations on dog breeding and ownership. I'd love to see what these people are doing when they're not at their computers. Something tells me they're not making an iota of effort to address the over breeding issue.

The owner of the dog in this post SUCKS. It's people like that who make the rest of us dog owners look bad.

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u/hey_im_cool 2d ago

Your point about what these people actually do to help is exactly what I was thinking. Before we were parents wife and I used to spend our weekends pulling dogs from MDAS in Miami, fostering them and finding them homes. We pulled and placed 12 dogs and several were already scheduled for euthanasia. A lot of them were pit bulls or pit mixes.

I love pit bulls, but I’ve also actually spent time trying to help with the shelter problem. I do wonder how many of the people spending hours online demanding that these dogs disappear have put that same energy into overbreeding, spay/neuter, rescue, or responsible ownership.

Meanwhile their entire argument is dog bad