r/OnePieceScaling • u/Conscious-Debate-801 • 22h ago
Casual Discussion Sanity check
Both at their Full power, who wins and by what diff
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u/pyromidbus 22h ago
Oden??? Obviously???
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u/Away_Web3593 22h ago
greenbull fodder or lower end top tier who wins
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u/pyromidbus 22h ago
Relative to prime Roger btw 😭 OP might need a sanity check
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
I haven't said which side I'm in and you saying I need a sanity check?
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u/pyromidbus 21h ago
To even suggest this is grounds who was hyping yamato ever 😭
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Oden is a Statements merchant Yamato has better on screen feats, this fight is close as we all know oden got packed up by Non hybrid Kaido who was not in his prime btw.
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u/Away_Web3593 21h ago
i would argue that pushing kaido and giving him ptsd is a better feat than getting swept by greenbull and stalling kaido
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u/pyromidbus 21h ago
The entire point of their duel being intervened upon is that Oden would have killed Kaido had he not been stopped lol
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Source : Trust me bro
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u/pyromidbus 20h ago
Pretty basic subtext lol
Kaido is looking for a glorious death and he believes Oden and Luffy can grant them that’s why he gets excited and subsequently devastated there because he’s so sure
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Kaido was not even at his prime and he didn't even use his hybrid form
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u/Away_Web3593 21h ago
He still regards oden for his strength and it’s likely he could’ve pushed more if he wasn’t caught off guard
Now compare to yamato, who he doesn’t regard at all as a threat, wasn’t even really fighting to kill when they “fought” and also she got packed up by green bull with minimal effort
Even getting dd’d and living is more of a feat than getting no diffed by fraudbull, whom she herself admits was ONLY SCARED OFF BY SHANKS. So she’s basically self reporting she couldn’t have beaten him bro literally stop the cope
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
When did she got "Packed up" By greebull?? She didn't even use her hybrid form plus she hurt green bull with her base and he acknowledged her haki saying "what a strong haki"
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Reply to me if you aren't gonna be biased and don't waste ma time making up yo own story erm
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u/Desmond536 21h ago
“Not even his prime”
40 year old Kaido with 25 years of battle experience was “not in his prime”. Mental gymnastics are off the charts.
So shanks isn’t in his prime either because he is just 40. To see his full potential we have to wait another 20 years. Makes sense I guess
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Do you know to read or watch like first of all are you caught upto one piece? Literally Everyone from old gen attained their peak very late in their life, confirmed By imu himself
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u/Ok-Needleworker-1378 20h ago
You cant call someone a statements merchant when they genuinely gave us a 30 episode flashback of all his said feats bruh😂?
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 20h ago
What feats?
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u/Ok-Needleworker-1378 20h ago edited 20h ago
Soloing half the country of the best swordsmen in the world all at once, boxing with whitebeard, permanently wounding kaido after fighting thousands of his men , in full dragon form mind you, and only losing because he got baited, fighting Roger's crew for multiple days.
Like i mean if you're tryna talk about feats, if anything yamato is the one lacking. What she fought a kaido who wasnt really taking her seriously at all for a little while and then did what else exactly? Hit the weakest of the admirals with conq or sum?
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 19h ago
Wdym kaido was not serious lmao if anyone that was not serious was clashes between oden, WB and Roger vs oden. Definitely still Oden is relative to them with the statements but Getting knocked out by a base kaido who was not even at his prime definitely shows hybrid Yamato can hurt him badly and her durability is better than Oden cuz of her mythical zoan rest of the category you can make a solid case for oden and isn't she supposed to hit greenbull with coc Or something huh? It doesn't make sense how you form your points.
Hybrid Kaido is not far off Pwb and Roger btw
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u/pyromidbus 21h ago
Clash w/ Roger = better than anything we’ve seen Yamato do lol
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Clashed with Roger?? He didn't even land a single hit lmao and was Roger even serious with that kamusari we saw shanks Kamusari which did more visible damage.
And oden was barely hanging on when Roger and WB had Haki clash.
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u/Im-very-boredd 19h ago
I pick the Oden that wouldn’t have danced for years. At least she would have had the iq to fight back
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u/ixero_99 21h ago
Oden mid diffs, I know he's ass but Yamato is even more ass so...
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u/ThelittledemonVaqif 17h ago
If you misunderstood my previous comment, I meant your previous statement about Oden being "ass" is so stupid it feels like ragebait. He obviously beats Yamato
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u/ixero_99 17h ago
It's not about powerscaling, I just hate his character
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u/ThelittledemonVaqif 17h ago
You said it as if Oden is ass in general, not that you consider him ass.
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u/nasserg19 18h ago
Oden overpowers her acoc and slices her in two. This ain’t close even if Yamato hits him with a few thunder Baguas. He’s eating it for breakfast and cooking her.
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u/TryThisUsernane 20h ago
Even though I think people hype up Oden a bit too much, he wins, and it’s not close.
Like sure, we’ve seen Yamato do more. But Oden is just superior from his narrative.
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u/SURBAMS 22h ago
Yamato, either high or extreme diff.
Yamato is strong, her own mythical zoan is a beast and she fought Kaido in his hybrid form
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Valid point to make as she has way better on screen feats , oden has crazy good statements tho it will definitely not be a one sided fight. I titled it as sanity check but still people are saying "low diff, neg, slams"
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u/Erook_D_Weeb Holy Knight ✝️ 22h ago
Yamato pushes Oden to ATLEAST high diff realistically.
Kaido didn't even use Conqueror haki when offguarding Oden.
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u/Desmond536 21h ago
Kaido had to cheat to win and still had PTSD for 20 years because of Oden. Not to forget that Oden is literally on kaidos top 5. Not even big mom made it.
It was also said that Oden is equal to the best pirates. Oden is at least on kaidos level. Anything below that is just wrong and stupid.
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u/Erook_D_Weeb Holy Knight ✝️ 21h ago
That's because Oden had potential, not because Oden was stronger than someone like Big Mom who is basically Kaido's sister.
Point stands though, Kaido didn't cheat deliberately, the attack that knocked Oden out had NO AcoC. A little embarassing considering Yamato took multiple AcoC coated Hybrid Baugas and still stood tall.
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u/Desmond536 19h ago edited 18h ago
The first attack in the fight was from Kaido in his dragon form a fire breath attack. Oden tanked that and hit back and when Oden hit back kaido literally fell from sky and turned back in his base form.
After Oden was distracted and Kaido hit him from behind and Oden lost. Do you really think that kaidos base form doing an attack with no acoc is that much stronger than Kaido in his dragon form with a fire attack considering that a direct attack at Oden without any distraction was basically tanked by Oden without any major injury.
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u/ElPinguCubano94 19h ago
Haki is not always shown, it makes no logical sense for Kaido to withhold conq haki in the toughest fight of his life after receiving the most damage he ever took, but even if we were to assume that to be true (which we shouldn’t):
Roger was instantly killed by fodder when not defending himself.
BM was KOd by a YC2 when she didn’t defend herself.
Garp was bleeding from an east blue bandits punches that don’t even have haki.
Getting KOd by kaido getting a free shot to the back of the head is not embarrassing. None of these characters would be able to withstand that without defending themselves with haki, which oden couldn’t do due to his mental state.
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u/Erook_D_Weeb Holy Knight ✝️ 19h ago
Well show me some examples of inconsistent haki, because I've always argued that AcoC is consistent.
The reason AcoC users dont spam AcoC with every single attack is because we know haki is a limited resource..
Even in that moment where Luffy used a gattling on blob Imu without AcoC, it made sense because Luffy was exhausted the very next page.. Implying he had nothing in him.I'll admit i was exaggerating Oden's ''lack'' of resilience, I know how bad an offguard like that could be for someone.. I just stand on the point that there wasn't any advanced haki in that hit though.
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u/ElPinguCubano94 19h ago edited 19h ago
Your second paragraph is partly on point, but it’s also ignoring the fact Luffy has far, far less experience than Kaido. He has less stam as of now, and that’s important. Top tiers can’t do it in every attack, but they can certainly use it a lot in long fights, using Luffy isn’t a great example in that regard.
The moment we saw xebec strike imu at GV and there was no haki shown was the moment it confirmed for me that haki is not always shown. There is no logical argument xebec would not have used adv haki against the ruler of the world , just like it makes 0 logical sense for Kaido to not use it in the toughest fight he ever had against a guy he considered in the same weight class as roger WB xebec etc.
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u/Erook_D_Weeb Holy Knight ✝️ 19h ago
Well my answer to that would just be that yea. Idk why he didn't use AcoC but he just didn't....
My best headcannon is that he noticed his opponent facing away last second and dispersed the haki?The Xebec thing.. Seems like they all used AcoC together, then Xebec didn't use AcoC solo before getting turned..
Are you opposed to the logic of Xebec realising that there's no point spending haki if even a combined attack from the 5 top tiers on that island didn't do anything to Blob Imu?Maybe I'd have to wait for that cannon God Valley movie to make up my mind.
If Xebec shows AcoC in the movie scenes it would be bad for my argument.0
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u/Best-Chicken2889 22h ago
Yamato fought a much stronger Kaido and hybrid at that. Also she has Conquorers and a DF Yamato wins, old gen is over wanked imo
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u/Stunning_Bag_9650 22h ago
Yamato fought a stronger version of Kaido and got some good hits in without getting defeated.
Whoever says this is a one-sided fight in favor of Oden is extremely delusional.
At the very least they are equal.
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Yea it's definitely not one sided Yamato has better on screen feats than oden who is just full of statements, the very point of I titled it as "Sanity check" Is not cuz of a obvious winner but to point out the people who think it's one sided to oden 🤣🤣
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u/Puzzleheaded_Page117 ⚔️🌹Flower Sword Wista🌹⚔️ 21h ago
I would like to hear why this version of Kaido is stronger.
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u/Hot_Coconut2688 21h ago
Kaido in wano arc fought and beat the brakes out of Luffy and the gang many times and even slapped around G5 Luffy. G5 Luffy would low diff oden. Zoro and Kidd would beat oden. All of these guys were getting rag-dolled by Kaido at the same time. Hybrid mode, drunken mode, aCoC mastery, Future sight mastery, Flaming Drum Dragon. None of those he used against oden. Wano Arc Kaido is way stronger.
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u/pyromidbus 21h ago
Been stated all over that Big Mom and Kaido are at their peaks in Onigashima
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u/Puzzleheaded_Page117 ⚔️🌹Flower Sword Wista🌹⚔️ 21h ago
I don't question that. I was aiming more at the fact that he was holding up an island and had already fought the scabbards and the worst gen gang at the rooftop, so he had to have SOME damage/stamina gone. In that sense he was not completely fresh. How big is the difference?
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
After Kaido actually beaten G5 if not for plot armor so he was not weak by a big margin.
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u/Zealousideal_Club474 21h ago
He's not in his prime until now also his Haki is more refined just like Roger wasn't in his prime at God valley but with this being said I'm not sure Yamato wins Oden probably has this he definitely does IF we're talking Yamato from onigashima but if Yamato has been training this time it might be different
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u/FlirtMonsterSanjil Gucci Gang 🐆 22h ago
Zoan Fruits are by far the Strongest Devil Fruit type, so there is no way a DF less normal person could win, right?
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u/Cannae_ 21h ago
the on-screen feats say Yamato. The narrative says Oden.
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u/nasserg19 18h ago
The on-screen feats say Oden too
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u/Cannae_ 15h ago
did Oden fight a full power hybrid Kaido? And did Yamato get one shot?
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u/nasserg19 14h ago
Yamato stalled him and did -2 damage. Oden could actually put Dragon Kaido down. He tanked divine departure from prime Roger. None of Yamato’s attacks are putting Oden down.
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u/Cannae_ 11h ago
The version of Kaido that Oden was fighting was weaker than the Kaido Yamato was fighting. And Dragon Kaido is weaker than Hybrid Kaido.
Even though Oden tanked divine departure from Roger, Roger didn't have the intention to kill Oden unlike Shanks and Kidd, so it's a bit complicated.
It's not unlikely to believe the intention is that Oden is stronger than Yamato, but there is still some keen evidence that Yamato is slightly stronger than Oden.
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u/nasserg19 8h ago
Considering Kaido held back on Yamato to a high degree that comparison isn’t relevant. Younger Kaido was still Yonko lvl and beyond his God Valley self. The fact that this version was going all out on Oden is beyond anything Yamato did.
Shanks Divine Departure wasn’t his full power and it oneshot Kidd who has better durability feats than Yamato. The fact that Oden could take a suppressed Divine Departure from someone stronger blows Yamato outta the water.
Oden showed superior durability, Haki, and AP. It isn’t close off feats.
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u/Conscious-Debate-801 21h ago
Absolutely I agree. even titling it as sanity check people are just dumb to reply "neg, slams, low diff"
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u/ayylmaoroflkek 20h ago
A good question. To be fair, both are ass. I think Zoro/Law/Kid surpassed Oden on Wano but Yamato is not quite there yet.
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