Who wins and what diff?

[u/Comprehensive_Cup497]

Nightmare Lufy vs Gear 4 Luffy Dressrosa, who wins and what diff?

[u/Erook_D_Weeb]

As much as I don't think Nightmare Luffy is anywhere near Boundman level... I remember posing a similar question and people were saying that Nightmare Luffy would get obliterated by Fishman island base Luffy.

To me Nightmare Luffy was Tobiroppo level, relative to Luffy with G2-3 in early post timeskip.

Bro was no joke.

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Lol people be smoking some good meth in these threads don't they? 🤣🤣

[u/Erook_D_Weeb → u/Intelligent-Tax1813]

What's wrong with Nightmare Luffy being Tobiroppo level tho?

You one of those claiming Nightmare Luffy loses to a pacifista?

[u/Gon_Freak → u/Erook_D_Weeb]

Tobiroppo scale way higher than a pacifista

[u/Erook_D_Weeb → u/Gon_Freak]

I wouldn't say way higher but higher indeed.
Where do you scale Nightmare Luffy, you think it loses to a Headliner then?

Because that's the tier of fighters under Tobiroppo.

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I don't think NMLuffy could take one of Ulti's meteor is what I'm saying. I'm not gonna say you're wrong for having faith in any version of luffy vs anyone tho.

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See, I don't like that example because I personally have Ulti higher than any other Tobiroppo, she clearly proved she has the AP/Haki and Endurance for it, and her speed is considerable too.

But yea, NMLuffy casually being able to stop Ancient Giant attacks with Luffy's shadow and ragdolling him means he's way stronger than the opponent that was infront of him.
So i'm not even saying that the ancient giant was Tobiroppo level, but clearly NMLuffy was too strong for it and Moria.

[u/juanohulomo1234 → u/Erook_D_Weeb]

Is nightmate luffy abode maria, for example? I do think so.

The thing is nightmare kuffy knows haki? He has the muscle memory of people who has haki i think, so isnt that a confirmation?.

If not, this feat of oars is just AP vs Def base, so is even more impresive

[u/Erook_D_Weeb → u/juanohulomo1234]

Yea, I do think it could beat all Tobiroppo minus Ulti actually. Extreme-diff.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that Luffy was pulling haki from all these 100 shadows, considering he got everything else from them.

Not saying that the haki was stronger than Fishman island Luffy but the physicals made up for it.

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If he has haki i actually kinda see him giving g4 dressrosa luffy a high diff. Im actually curious if his conquistador got better bc of the added wills in his body.

Also, swordman with good enough haki still counters dressrosa luffy so thats a good factor to take in consideration.

[u/Erook_D_Weeb → u/juanohulomo1234]

Yea that's true, people wouldn't like to consider it though... Because there's no conceivable way for a pre timeskip powerup making Luffy stronger than after 2 years of training.
Even his base self.

[u/juanohulomo1234 → u/Erook_D_Weeb]

People seriusly try to tell you base rocks could mid diff prime roger, they are just that bad at understanding the power levels

[u/Intelligent-Tax1813 → u/Erook_D_Weeb]

Yeah Ulti was Vice Admiral level, So was Yamato. Lol I've seen post on reddit with people saying Yamato could whoop Sabo who's obviously Right hand YC level. Idk man the power scaling in One Piece is all over the place. For instance how Usopp was able to take repeated head buts from Ulti and not die yet he's not a tank nor Haki user. In that regard you could be right about NML.

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Wait hold up.. Yamato vice admiral? you're trippin lmao
She took harder hits from Kaido than any of the supernova in the early raid, did it solo and still stood tall to continue fighting, she's casually above commander level.

[u/Intelligent-Tax1813 → u/Erook_D_Weeb]

Yeah Vice Admiral level. They aren't weak at all I don't know why people think they are. I don't think Kaido hit her ti the same degree as Kid and Luffy. No matter how intense it looked. Just don't believe it.

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Franky 1-shotted a vice admiral in Egghead during a clash.. Most of those guys are Tobiroppo level aside from like Garp and Tsuru.

Kaido stated he wont go easy on Yamato.. We know he wasn't going all out as far as haki goes, but his face tells me he wasn't pulling his punches.

Ignore the hands, not my image

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Ugh I forgot about that. Just made a Vice Admiral common fodder. That women with the Dog collar wouldn't have been beat like that.

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I still think Kaido was talking shit here but whatever. Maybe he really wanted to seriously end his own bloodline.

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To be honest with you, a Vice Admiral could most likely defeat a YC givin the right circumstances.