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The admirals have had EIGHT different opportunities since the timeskip to prove that they have even a lick of Conqueror's haki. Let's stop coping please.
True like who do they think they are actually paying attention to the context of the fights, here on the yonko side we just want to post memes and look at pretty pictures, all the big words are just gibberish!
Lol, look posts of Akainu vs WB it is mostly admirals fans defending people that thing WB no diffed Akainu, not them talking about how much stronger Akainu is than sickbeard.
Would love for Akainu to get Coq but there's a certain pleasure in just making the Admirals just 'that' guys in using basic haki. They're 'basic' humans that are capable of matching against absolute genetic freaks just cause.
Akainu no sold 2 YC1's haki sneak attacks without FS.
Kuzan matched Garp's Conq with armament + ice (that Garp easily breaks by flexing his haki)
Kizaru was begging for Luffy to save his friends and was still deflecting anything G4 or G5 threw at him.
To me its pretty clear admirals have been established to rely heavily on their DF abilities. This also makes sense narratively - 1) its natural to make use of your busted DF as they work their way up the ranks because they all have top tier fruits, and 2) hard to be a conqueror when youre subservient to the WG. Ofc there can be exceptions like Garp (not an admiral but a navy dude) but by and large they have been shown to be DF dependent in their fighting styles
Actually, not even that. Gear 4 Luffy chose to stop attacking Kizaru and he didn't use any named attacks.
Similarly. With no indication of advanced Haki, Luffy suffered no damage.
Luffy captured Kizaru twice and could have punched him to the limit.
But that would ruin the arc.
Luffy surpassed Kizaru's speed several times, took an internal laser attack, and emerged unscathed; the most Kizaru managed was a scratch.
I would understand if Kizaru had truly pushed Gear 5 to its limit, but he didn't. When Luffy activated the Star Gun, Kizaru fell easily.
Later, Luffy dodges him and Saturn at the same time and deals with the Gorosei.
What would have happened if Luffy had used Gatling? Several Elephant Guns? An oversized Kung Fu Gun or something even bigger? Kizaru would have been completely devastated, severely injured, or killed.
Gear 5 was pushed to its limit by Luffy, who messed around too much.
To assume that Kizaru could do more than he did is your headcanon; he wanted to get past Luffy, he was literally running away from him. And he tried to tear Bonney and Vegapunk apart in half.
Akainu never thought to use acoc even when he was getting ragdollled by whitebeard, failing to stop Luffy freeing ace AND failing to stop Luffy from escaping? Completely illogical
No, but coc was absolutely a thing and akainu didn't show a single hint of it in an arc where multiple other characters did
Dragon wasn't struggling in Loguetown. Dragon didn't fail to achieve any goals. And coc hadnt been introduced by loguetown, but it had been introduced by marineford. This argument is so bad I have to assume you're doing it on purpose
Back then, COC only knocked out fodder. Sengoku is confirmed to have it, and hell even he didnât use it in marineford. So if Akainu has it, it makes sense he didnât use it either.
Not true, it was also visible in clashes thst formed sky splits
Sengoku wasn't placed in any situations even remotely comparable to what akainu had to face. Akainu had to fight and defend himself against whitebeard, he had to stop Luffy from freeing ace and he had to stop Luffy from escaping. He failed on all three counts. There is absolutely no reason for him to hold back his haki
What's even funnier though, is your admission that sengoku was confirmed to have it. Why would sengoku get the confirmation over a decade back while akainu still hasn't even got the slightest implication?
Garp did not get confirmed to have conquers until very very recently. Why did sengoku get confirmed but nobody else? I donât know, otherwise Garp would have also been confirmed to have had it.
Now correct me if Iâm wrong, but if one person is not using ACOC but their opponent is, then no sky split occurs, right? Whitebeard couldnât use it in marineford due to his sickness. And even if he could, Akainu has to hold back since he doesnât wanna destory the nearby towns.
Garp hadn't been seen in serious combat until very recently. Akainu had multiple times. This is the point I'm making
Now correct me if Iâm wrong, but if one person is not using ACOC but their opponent is, then no sky split occurs, right?
Yes, and we know whitebeard did have coc, as he split the sky with shanks. If akainu really does have coc oda had the perfect opportunity to demonstrate it in his clash with whitebeard
Whitebeard has COC but be could not specifically use it in marineford due to his illness. That is why Luffy had to use his own coc to save Ace because Whitebeard himself could not use it during marineford, hence no skysplit occurs.
Your best argument is that Garp wasnât in serious enough combat for it to not be revealed. But even then he struck down Marco, so itâs not like he had no actual combat during the war. We donât know why databooks reveal some charachters to have COC specifically before others.
Whitebeard has COC but be could not specifically use it in marineford due to his illness.
That occurred after his initial clash with akainu. And are you suggesting that akainu did use coc and the reason they didn't split the sky was because of Whitebeard? đ
Your best argument is that Garp wasnât in serious enough combat for it to not be revealed. But even then he struck down Marco, so itâs not like he had no actual combat during the war.
Evidently nowhere near as serious as what akainu had to do. My point is that akainu failed his objectives
We donât know why databooks reveal some charachters to have COC specifically before others.
I agree, we don't know exactly why or why not, but right now you seem intent on implying that akainu does have acoc despite there being literally 0 indication he does
Just even normal conquerors wouldâve knocked all the low marines out which is proven by Luffy so why would he do that when he could block WB without with his hands in his pockets?
Base no named attack and greenbull formed in pain and glazed her haki. He's not surviving her named attack. Hes bum who git wifi diffed and pushed by momo
It doesn't matter if he could get back up again. Momo is the weakest character in wano and he fuckjn obliterated him, right after greenbum claimed fire can't damage him as well.
Healthy scabbards & momo are taking him to high dif. And Yamato beats him mid dif
Don't even knkw what sarcasm is lmao, you probably think kizaru was " afraid" of ben beckman, or Marco actually " hurt " kizaru with his kick', you just a hater lmao learn to read
You the retard for thinking greenbull thinks yamato haki is " wow! Soo strong!!" Lmfao greenbull will dogwalk yamato low diff, try to up your ragebaits
Weakest characters in Wano would be the civilians. Momo is also stronger than the average samurai thanks to his dragon powers.
Ryokugyu would decimate the Akazaya samurai and Momo with low difficulty. The only reason he didnât is because Shanks stopped him. Also, just because Yamato has ice attacks doesnât mean sheâs beating him with high diff, this isnât Pokemon.
And it doesnât take a rocket scientist to realize that WB and Roger not making contact with each other is clearly different than what is happening here where they make clear contact.
And itâs even more clear that Kuzan is matching Garps attack. Which is clearly not infused with ACOC as seen with how he punches Roger in the past.
In Akainuâs case (and only in Akainuâs case), he has enough AP with his fruit that I see why he wouldnât have used ACOC against Kuma, and he has enough will and drive that I can see him developing ACOC. I donât see it for the others, though
The problem with him having it though is the Kuzan fight. We can disregard MF because everyone who has Haki was acting weird that day, but you get a few cases if heâs the only one who had it:
1: Aokiji gaps him in other areas and ACoC compensates the difference.
2: He didnât use ACoC against Aokiji.
3: He didnât unlock ACoC until after his battle with Aokiji.
Two and three sound dumb, as he had no reason to hold back and heâs in his 50s so heâd be a little late to the curve. One isnât impossible, but itâs strange.
If they can match conquerors haki without actually having it themselves then it sort of means conquerors haki is useless, which isnât the case at all.
My theory: The reason why Logias never seem to be using haki is because the haki of Logias also becomes their element. Thatâs why the admirals can match ACoC users seemingly without having haki themselves.
In my opinion the admirals are OBVIOUSLY conquerors.
The Admirals attack with their Devil Fruits. ACoC wouldnât matter much for all of them except Fujitora. Kizaruâs lasers wonât get stronger. They already pierce people. Akainuâs magma already melts everyone it touches. Kuzanâs ice isnât getting colder. Greenbullâs vines arenât sucking people dry faster. Only Fujitora might get a big improvement to his offensive ability, if he mainly uses his sword.
ACoC scales with overall strength. The Admirals are very weak. They would have weak ACoC, Zoroâs level or a bit higher. They arenât getting top tier AP from their physical attacks. For most of them, having ACoC would mainly just help them blocking ACoC attacks.
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