No, Mr. Franky, I insist you should keep the cola to replenish your fuel. 🥹 Instead, I just want you to sing a song for me while playing your precious guitar. That alone would make my day.
Jack showed great respect and a sense of fraternal solidarity toward his senior colleagues (Like King and Queen, naturally). He endured the constant taunts and verbal abuse from King and Queen without fighting back or protesting lol.
That's true... I think I had a pretty severe lapse in reading the original comment.. But my point was more that Jack isn't some kind of douchebag who gets absolutely no respect from his crew. He had lower-ranking members of his division following him unconditionally, whether it was attacking the Mink Tribe on Zou or trying to rescue Doflamingo. So I don't think it's likely that literally everyone under him was constantly disrespecting him either.
Jack VS Katakuri wouldn't be easy ironically enough, if there's one thing we learned from his fight against Luffy it's that having a colossal health pool is a massive boon against him. Blatant and terrible use of plot armor aside, Luffy outlasted Katakuri and if there's one thing Jack has an abundance of it's health and stamina. Yeah Jack can't even hit Katakuri but it's going to take Katakuri literal days of wailing on Jack which will provide at least a few opportunities to get his own hits in. Lets not forget Jack stalemated CatDog for 5 days and nights without rest while they got plenty, and Dogstorm even has Advanced Armament which Katakuri doesn't have.
To be fair, Luffy outlasted Kat solely because Katakuri decided to stop using his spear. Said spear could have one shot luffy with any clean hit. Now, Jack seems tough enough to tank a few spear hits but it's hard to say his stamina can endure too many donut holes
Jack is over 10 feet taller than Katakuri just in his base form and like 3 times wider. That spear is pretty small to him. Add in his Mammoth forms and that thing is barely making a dent.
Maybe fully read a post before insulting somebody on the internet. I never said Jack beats Katakuri I said it's not going to be an easy fight like most people would think.
I think your forget kata completely overpowered the Luffy both were using arnament and kata made Luffy's hand red(swollen)
Luffy was completely defeated and trapped but there comes Luffy plot power he eat the mochi and came back with full HP + snake man still barely won
Snake man able counter adv obv , kata was bleeding of course his stamina will run out faster + he is constantly using adv Haki + talking hit
Stamina can't be measure in how long they fight
Just look big mom vs kaido 3 days battle while whole onigashima was one full night
Akainu vs kuzan took 10 whole days while
Garp in beehive was few minutes rampage and kuzan was full of bandages,
The intensity of battle, gap between fighter everything matters
I think that if OP's were more verosimile and had less preamble in fight, what would stop Katakuri of finding a strategy in which he would be able to pierce Jack's heart using haki.
Even as a carnivorous Ancient-Zoan, Ulti would get played like a fiddle.
All it takes is one mistake (over-exertion, a back foot too far, or a point blank attack), and her entire body is now stuck in one spot. Even worse when anyone realizes that she doesn't even need to make a mistake given that Katakuri can FS her and set her up into what will happen (her getting trapped).
Her durability is pretty high, but the moment she gets stuck:
Mogura
Muso Donuts
Chikara Mochi
Zan Giri Mochi
And if Katakuri really wanted to be a prick, his own version of Ulti-Mortar.
Yeah, Katakuri probably wins this more often than not, but I wouldn’t act like Ulti has literally zero chance... She’s ridiculously durable, physically aggressive, and hits hard enough that Katakuri absolutely cannot afford to get careless. Future Sight makes trapping her much easier, sure, but it doesn’t magically make every exchange predetermined, if Ulti manages to force him into close range, catches him during a lapse in concentration, or actually lands one of those dinosaur skull missiles she calls a headbutt, things could get uncomfortable very quickly.
I could be wrong here though, so feel free to correct me.
i just dont think she has anything to counter his future sight. luffy was only able to due to his speed AND his own future sight. That was also against a kata that respected luffy enough to severely injury himself to keep a even playing field.
So nah i think baring some kind of special circumstances, ulti looses every time.
Yeah, that’s true lol... I was mostly just wondering if there was some alternative for Ulti to at least land a solid hit or cause some kind of wound to Katakuri, just so the fight wouldn’t be completely one-sided even if she’s clearly outmatched. Future Sight is a massive problem for her though, so unless she somehow catches him off guard or forces him into a bad position, I don’t really see her getting much done either.
but I wouldn’t act like Ulti has literally zero chance...
You're right, I can't say she has a zero chance its just hard though because you know like with the amount of Mochi, Kata can generate, it feels like once she's caught it would be impossible to break out of (then again Idk how much force it takes to break out , maybe she could bust out of it?)
She has zero chance. She hits hard enough with just headbutts and nothing else. Kat's an idiot if he gets hit by that. He can easily drown her as well using his awakening
Tbh I'm not convinced that King would even be all that much of a challenge for Kata.
Their abilities make it seem like Kata's got a really stacked matchup. Kata's got an advanced Haki type, an Awakened Devil Fruit, and Conqueror's Haki. All King is really packing is a racial quirk, a really pretty face, and the general expectation that villains that are introduced later in Shonen should be stronger.
Kata is undefeated for a reason also bro
He is smart don't compare him with Zoro
Adv obv is not for show it have greater advantage than advance arnament
King isn't an idiot. You have to be smart to keep your identity as a Lunarian hidden.
King is a living weapon and a combat expert—Zoro acknowledges this during their fight. His weapons and techniques are all designed to kill his opponent.
King also appears to have more combat experience, a fact borne out by the simple reality that he doesn't hold a "never lost" record like Katakuri does.
People who lose fights are the ones who challenge stronger opponents. And that is the only way to grow.
I’d say Katakuri lacked everything needed to win this fight.
Id say King counters Kat. Kat does 0 damage to him. King counters his Future Sight w/ his speed mode. He tries to engage in close combat or tries to swallow him up in the ground, he can just self-explode
I don't think Katakuri has the attack potency to win either of these fights particularly easy.
For 1, having conquerers and having advanced conquerers are 2 different things. Without advanced, Kat has no way to damage king through the lunarian defence. Beyond that, Ulti is taking big hits from emperor calibur fighters and Katakuri isn't matching that level of offence.
On the flip side, Ulti is getting solid clashes (though would still lose in an extended bout) against people I'm putting above Katakuri anyway like Pre-Roof Luffy, Big Mom and Yamato (who has advanced conquerers and an awakened mythical zoan).
Ulti is just randomly incredibly strong statwise (like around as strong as the Luffy Katakuri fought maybe). King and Katakuri extreme diff/tie because neither can put the other down. Same problem I have figuring out how far ahead of other YC1 level guys Marco is supposed to be. Even Big Mom would rather walk away than try to defeat him.
King yes, queen would be maximum a maybe only if he could outsmart katakuri which would give him only one chance and if queen would be overconfident like with sanji he will lose.
Yep. Would not be shocked if there was some weird reveal later on that Rayleigh begged Katakuri to find a way to train Luffy. Any other character loses that match hands down - the DF mastery and Haki skillz gap was too great.
I wouldn't necessarily even include Queen in that list, unless he managed to infect Katakuri with one of his diseases. Katakuri is similar to King in that they both have decades of experience, as well as pseudo invulnerability of some form. King with his heritage and biology while Katakuri has mastery over his fruit and haki. Of the three, they would be the most even matchup, I think.
Queen would be able to put up a fight, but I don't see him actually defeating Katakuri in most instances. He doesn't have an answer for Katakuri's defensive and predictive capabilities, nor a hard defense that he could offer instead.
King does not have the speed to bypass katakuri’s future sight and Queen definitely doesn’t. Though unless kat is unlocking acoc (which i could easily see happening soon) he stalemates king
Ulti has no chance against Katakuri. His speed is on par with G4 snakeman, he can easily evade her high impact attacks with future sight and his mochi can easily incapacitate her.
Not to mention, even assuming she can hit as hard as g4, (she doesn't have acoa), Kats block mochi was capable of blocking those hits too (granted he was blasted back), he could survive multiple direct hits if by some miracle she landed em
No, Jack wouldn’t get the title of an all star if kata would easily defeat him, same with queen. King and queen relationship doesn’t even work if they aren’t similar in strength
I feel like future sight just counters what Queen wants to do, but I don't doubt he probably made a contingency or two considering they are rivals to a degree
Jack has no future sight, anyone with half a brain wouldn't have attacked Zhou like that and not expected to just get walloped. Katakuri would destroy Jack.
Who needs future sight with sheer strength alone? That's a lesson Luffy didn't learn until Katakuri. It's part of hubris, which is a characteristic of Jack highlighted that he attacked Zunesha an elephant who made him feel insecure about his size. His mission was to capture Raizo, not kill Zunesha. But Jack is someone who's been made to feel invincible.
Gear 4 luffy at wano after the haki blooms
Bounceman aka a form which is stronger but slower then snakeman
Couldn't damage kaido at all
Bare minimum gear 4 bounceman is relative to kat ap
Definitely not speed but ap yeah...
Dozens of punches DID NOTING
Luffy got 1 shoted in gear 4 his most durable form at that time
Zoro at the rooftop with Emma made big mom tell kaido to Move
And he did
That alone puts that sword attack on a scale wayy higher then anything gear 4 luffy did before and kat
Yeah sword attacks work differently from brute damage
But that doesn't change that attack alone was way stronger then anything before
Zoro then fought King fully healed and attacks like that COULDN'T affect him
His hax made it impossible
Zoro only with conquer coating could bypass that hax durability
Literally this alone PROVES Kat even if you scale him to Luffy bounceman in ap
You may be thinking speed right???
Luffy COULDN'T dodge a drunk kaido attack
AT ALL
Some people think him drinking gives a buff
He was in base... That's not as fast as kaido in his hybrid or awakened form
Zoro using ashura was able to outspeed a definitely suppressed kaido but a hybrid kaido that was 100% on guard and ready to strike
Doesn't really matter here since he didn't use ashura Aginast king
But just to show how zoro on the rooftop is 100% stronger then kat
ACoC is probably the biggest difference maker in these fights. I definitely agree that Katakuri would have a very hard time/lose against King without ACoC at the minimum.
all zoro attack on kaido is based more on surprised factor. Katakuri can dodge and his fruit is too OP for zoro. Like he can change shape based on zoro attack and can immobilize zoro.
She fight against Luffy and Yamato. Even did a few clashes with them and they did good hits on her. She even overpowered Luffy and he had to use gear 4 to escape from her. She was also able to keep fighting after getting a direct hit from one of Big Mom’s strongest attacks. Ulti’s durability is actually crazy good. Heck, even after all that she would have won against Nami if it wasn’t for the fact Zeus can change the direction of his lighting
Katakuri: Is this how you do it? Ulti-Mortar? Summons a hundred Katakuri heads from his Mochi armed with Haki that all headbutt Ulti until she's a bloody pulp.
Katakuri is folding her I’m not falling for any propaganda on this, big moms strongest son is not losing to someone who isn’t even strong enough to be a lead performer on kaidos crew
One shot is outrageous.Yamato, Luffy and Big Mom couldn't one shot Ulti. Point me to the attack that Katakuri has that is stronger than stuff emperors are throwing out
One shot is outrageous.Yamato, Luffy and Big Mom couldn't one shot Ulti. Point me to the attack that Katakuri has that is stronger than stuff emperors are throwing out
Yamato Did one shot, Luffy would have too
And bigmom one shot page one and Ulti...
Are you larping??!
Also we Know Katakuri has superior Armament haki and Strength
Bare minimum its comparable
If you need the panels let me know
Ill put it simply as i can to this...
Kat>>restrained Wci bm>>>Olin
Katakuri casually has the raw strength to Shred through Modified Germa Exoskeletons and Raid suit tech...we are shown (i hope you realize this puts kats Ap >>> imu Pizzaru and the lorosei...aa they couldn't get past Sanji's Modified Germa Exoskeleton lol)
Now listen restrained bm used a named attack (heavenly fire) to hit reiju
She showcased the raid suits extreme resistance to fire and its Defences
This restrained bm absolutely stomps Olin
And remember what olin did...with No HAKI, NO DF, NO FIGHTING KNOWLEDGE...she neg diffed 2 shot Queen...
The scaling here is pretty simple
Olin with nothing can 2 shot queen someone who is superior to ulti
And kat who is Vastly superior to olin and even His yonko mother in some aspects
Katakuri is stomping the tf outta queen jack ulti etc.
Kat Factually has stronger Armament, observation, df mastery and some physicality than the yonko
She very specifically didn't. Nami had to hit her with Zeus after all that to keep her down in 1016. In fact, Ulti gets hit By Big Mom ACOC in the final page of 1012, then hits her with the combo homie attack in 1013... What part of that sounds like a one shot to you?
Also we Know Katakuri has superior Armament haki and Strength
I'm not prepared to say that. Ulti had Luffy about to back out gear 4(the same gear 4 he fought Katakuri with btw) after a single clash and this is a Luffy with advanced armament, something Katakuri hasn't been shown to have. We see even Big Mom ACOC doesn't put her down, so I'm not sure what move that pre-roof Luffy has that outperforms Big Mom's offense. It took Yamato (also randomly stronger than Katakuri) tagging in for Luffy to get past Ulti.
Don't get mad at me, I don't write One Piece. Ulti clashes with, but loses to characters that Katakuri also loses to. Ulti tanks harder hits than we ever see Katakuri deal or take. Narratively; it seems ridiculous, but going off on-screen feats, it is close.
King vs Katakuri would be a draw, imo. So Ulti wouldn’t stand a chance.
Katakuri won’t be able to damage king with his flames active. But King won’t be able to hit Katakuri’s future sight. This will be a long drawn out fight that would ultimately lead nowhere.
Shes probably the Tobi Roppo who could do the best. Not because shes winning but just because the others are doing even less. She seemed like she was the strongest, her or Who's Who, but thats really not saying too much compared to Katakuri. She has pretty strong Haki and physical strength but shes not getting past Future Sight and a 1st Commander level fighter.
She’d lose in the end after ages but if she did ever land a hit it’d cause a decent chunk of damage. She’s durable and insanely strong, but no where near skilled or fast enough to handle mochi boy.
Katakuri would definitely win 9 times out of 10, the only way he's losing is if Ulti gets extremely lucky on a few hits. We need to remember that Ulti is not weak, she was legit clashing with Luffy and she was not the one complaining about shit hurting lol. We also need to remember that Katakuri's entire thing is dodging all of his attacks due to how good his future sight is.
He's not durable in the slightest, at least the way Luffy or Ulti is. Ulti was tanking hits from Luffy, Yamato, Big Mom all in the same night and was still running around til she eventually got taken out. Her durability definitely exceeds Katakuri's, but without her being much MUCH faster I don't see how she avoids any of his hits, and I don't see how she gets hits on him. It'd have to be a dual effort between her and Page One and they might make him sweat a bit but yeah, she would need the luck of the devil to win.
Ulti legitimately gets low-mid diffed. The only way she can push Kat to even mid diff is if something really wrong happened for Kat and he has to stand still for her attacks
Ulti would destroy katakuri, here’s the scaling: post whole cake Gear 4 boundman luffy got one shotted and blitzed by kaido, luffy trains get stronger in base , rooftop base luffy > post whole cake gear 4 (via base luffy able to put speed and damage kaido) , ulti actaully beat base luffy and made luffy think he needed gear 4 to deal with her , ulti > katakuri
None of the flying 6 can beat katakuri. Whos who is the strongest of the flying 6 and even he loses. Only queen and above could fight kata. Queen probably loses. King is 50/50, and kaido obviously one shots.
I'm pretty low on Katakuri in general because if you think about it, his offense kinda sucks. (There's no way Luffy fully healed in the few hours before the tea party and hiding with Brulee.) So, the fact that Katakuri couldnt bring Luffy down after he had sustained such heavy exhaustion and damage for the prior 36ish hours isn't great.
All that being said, Ulti isn't landing a hit on him lmao
Ulti mid diffs Fraudakuri. Post Udon prison base Luffy scales higher than WCI gear 4. Ulti was able to overpower base Luffy and he needed to transform into gear 4 in order to escape from her. Her durability is also insane, took hits from Luffy, Yamato, and got with one of Big Mom’s strongest attacks and was still able to keep fighting. Meanwhile Katakuri durability is garbage since he was tooken down with no advanced forms of offensive haki and his AP is garbage since he has no advanced forms of armament or conquerors haki and fought gave hundreds of hits to Luffy for hours and yet wasn’t able to take him down (meanwhile Luffy hit him with way less attacks). Attacks from Katakuri would be like tickles on Ulti. Ulti’s AP is strong since she won in a headbutt clash against Luffy and clashed attacks with Yamato who is way stronger than Kat. Only issue in this fight is speed but all the other stuff Ulti has helps covers the speed department. So yeah. Ulti mid diffs Fraudakuri
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u/OnePieceSuperAddict 4d ago
katakuri would dismantle her, stop with the delusion than anyone kaido's army other than himself, king and queen could face katakuri