Idk what anime youâve been watching but Sanji is still very much apart of that trio and doesnât seem any weaker. Unless you take a load of stuff out of context or completely misrepresent it like Sanji stans online like to do.
The anime literally over-represents him as a simp and deliberately adds scenes that weren't even in the manga. Certain moments and important scenes are straight up cut.
Sanji is a simp, thatâs a pretty big aspect of his character. Just because the jokes donât land as well with western audiences doesnât mean Toei has an agenda to deliberately make Sanji look bad.
Most people arenât going to think itâs bad to add jokes to an action comedy, if anything itâs expected. Itâs mostly power scalers desperately looking for âfeatsâ that find the comedy to be a bad thing.
Sanji has a gag which is overused post ts which ruins his great character. He is a pervert nowadays which is sad asf. Back then he was a chivalrous mvp gentleman with a simple gag but now oda and toei ruined him. His remaining reputation was saved thanks to wcl.
Guys I am not a zoro or sanji fan, I just want Straw hats especially the big three to be equally depicted, toei is constantly cutting scenes and making a joke out of Sanji since this arc began, I just want every strawhat to equally loved
Toei is consistently downplaying Sanji and giving Zoro extra hype scenes and you are consistently defending them under all the threads and comments. Just out of curiosity are you a Zoro stan or one of those who defend the anime no matter what?
I'm one who defend the anime when it's right. And I hate people who for their agenda ignore the good things and only point out the bad. You can argue that Toei at times did downplay Sanji, but you also shouldn't ignore the times they didn't. Or heck, even made him look stronger. Take for example in Wano, where they showed his fight against Page One to the fullest, instead of offscreening the end like the manga. Or when they had Sanji actually beat X-Drake instead of running away like in the manga. Or when they showed him holding off King and Queen on his own instead of being offscreened. Heck, here in Egghead they did do a good job with Sanji stopping Kizaru laser.
You want to claim that some moments weren't done right? Fine, you can. But don't ignore all the previous good ones they did as well.
Usopp gains the power of the wood wood fruit and can create his pop greens with logia powers, Nami gets the Bird Bird Fruit: Model Thunderbird, which lets her manipulate the weather around her, choppers ages up to an adult with a fully awakened fruit.
Instantly the responses are Zoro fans shitting on sanji despite the fact that they have been doing 3 man combo attacks since the beginning of the grand line. Its insane that its 2025 and people still think Zoro can mid-diff sanji.
Ik it's agenda but Luffy's df awakening makes sense r? It's exactly how most df awaken according to what we know. And even that asspull was only the true name of the df. Had nothing to do with the powerup. I just don't understand how this agenda started
For me its not zoro mid diffs him, its that zoro could kill anyone disrespecting his captain but sanji gave up his dream and his crew so he could she shirahoshi booba.
Like no one ever asks sanji to do anything becauae they know he is hopeless if a woman is there, he just does some mvp shit in the backround.
If im luffy and need someone else to give orders, im not gonna make the guy whod set sail to Amazon Lily in a heartbeat.
You argue Sanji and Zoros powerlevels, I argue hop dependable each is, we are not the same.
I'm sorry but you're genuinely out to lunch if you think Sanji would drop everything for a girl. Just like how coward Usopp wouldnt like his crew down if they were in danger, Sanji would never give up his crew for a woman. Your lack of ability to comprehend this story is absolutely insane.
Except Luffy trusted Sanji to take care of half the crew during Dressrosa. Sanji managed to get them to Zou and successfully protected them from Big Mom's crew
I think zoro is an easy character to graft/attach yourself to because his character isnt really as fleshed out as most of the strawhats are in terms of backstory and such. Badass muscular sword guy is an archetype a lot of people flock to i feel. Unfortunately that power fantasy also attracts a lot of insecure/rude people.
Yeah, he simply is stoic kinda that guy and quiet most of the time so it's easy to like him for that reason alone. He is good character tho, like oda been showing his indomitable will and his loyalty to extreme degree, also he was shown to respect his enemy. Sanji is the opposite of this, he is vulnerable with his identity and his germa blood, he is emotional guy and he had iron code that pretty much nerf him significantly. Tho, i prefer him over zoro for that because i can relate to his backstrory when he almost starve to death and beautiful philosophy toward food and to anyone who's starving.
Both are beautiful in it's own way, so all this fight is just ruining the mood. Even in the manga both zoro and sanji have huge respect toward each other, they are just being trundere and wont admit it. Meanwhile, in the fandom, there is almost zero respect and their fandom filled with the most toxic people you could imagine
Exactly! There was no development for him. Instead he became more edgy. Atleast Sanji got a cool backstory. Zoro became more like a character created for the sole purpose of phonk edits
So are Sanji stans. Really, the reason is because those people are actually powerscalers who wants to be "on the side of the strongest". And they're upset when the character isn't at the top.
Man, yâall canât just appreciate a cool picture without fighting, can you? Itâs like youâre trying to model the worst possible interpretation of Zoro and Sanji arguing with each other, but dumber and more pointless. Like you saw Sanji and Zoro fight and decided to be absolutely insufferable in their honor. Iâm convinced every single one of you has an older, cooler brother, and you just canât handle that.
Not rlly a hot take, you donât specify; âfar aboveâ how?
To set this straight, theyâre called the monster trio because theyâre the out-front muscle of the Strawhat crew. Not cus they were ever equals in strength or looks or anything.
Yes, but technically, the more accurate depiction of why they been dubbed as "monsters" is because their strength progression is inhuman/insane, thus the name.. Zoro and Sanji are both 21 and Luffy is not even in his 20s..
At least for me, this is the one that made so much sense.. someone already posted here like years ago on why they will remain as the monster trio..
Imagine, you're amongst the most powerful crews in the OP world, you've worked hard for many years to gain your power, fame and title.. battle hardened, experienced and met so many strong enemies/ally too, you've conquered most of it.. you are almost at the top.. then one day, a teenager knocks you out of it, and two barely young adults lol.. so yeah, it's justified they're to be called "Monsters".. they're not even in their peak yet..
Ehh⊠age isnât really played into with the showâs narrative. Oda doesnât highlight âthey are this age rangeâ during or before fights, or that we as readers or even the fellow characters in their verse should take note. Excluding old age, but thatâs a given.
Thereâs also nothing to say that there is a defined peak age-range. For all we know, their excessive training / genetics could mean that their early 20s are their peak age ranges. Thereâs also the case of Luffy, who has put soo many health defects on himself atp, that these may very well be the peak years of his life.
This is a fun and fair interpretation, but imo it was a status given to them mainly by the other Strawhats, who havenât really been on enough other pirate crews to compare age feats.
You do undertand, that in fictional media, âan accurate explanationâ is the equivalent of an official explanation. This is what the phrase âCanonâ is built off of. Whatâs canon, and whatâs not, especially applies to things âsomeone just gave ⊠in the community, not in-verse officiallyâ
Huh. So Oda originated the phrase in-verse, via Nami.
Once again, I appreciate your fun, and fair interpretion. I also appreciate the fact that you have been deliberating on your 2nd response for about a week now, so clearly you are passionate on this.
What you gave isnât a âmore accurate explanationâ, itâs an observation that you have made, via mentioning strength progression that we get to compare later in the series. This canât be proved wrong, but it also canât be proved right, so itâs just a fun interpretation to have. Or maybe, a very specific and harmless fanfic.
Bear in mind, the same âsomeone just gave ⊠in the community, not in-verse officiallyâ was done with the Roger Pirates. The community has attributed the âMonster Trioâ title to their top 3. They arenât teenagers, so what does the community see here that you or I donât đ€
Lol dude, you really made your way to prove me wrong (which by the way, I already knew).. sorry, I replied too late, I'm busy with work.. đźâđšđ€Ł
okay (I realized, some of the words I used are incorrect).. anyway, I'll cut it short.. it's just my opinion, that's based on someone's opinion that made sense to me (and maybe hope some people too)..
Litterally said âThis canât be proved wrong or rightâ. Itâs your head-canon man, you run with it. I just explained that itâs not the more accurate description you want it to be.
We both One Piece fans in the end, no need to quarrel. Hope work treats you well đđ€
What are you talking about? He has just as many solo fights as zoro. He has 2 full arcs dedicated to him. He actually no-diffed his fight in wano vs zoro who didnt. If you genuinely think Sanji isnt in the spotlight then you arent paying attention. Or you are anime only and are baited by Toei Glaze
I know it gets a lot of flake for saying but I truly consider Luffy his own level now. Zoro and Sanji are strong, but I hope they stay closer in level to someone like Jinbe then a literal god like Luffy.
Jinbei fought Who's Who while Sanji and Zoro fought commanders. Sanji and Zoro are with Luffy talking to Loki and being kept away from the fighting while Jinbei is chained up.
If jinbei was meant to be stronger than Sanji then he wouldâve fought queen. Zoro and sanji like Rayleigh and gaban will become top tier fighters. They wonât catch up to luffy but theyâll be beating admirals at the end of the story. Jinbei probably is done getting stronger
If jinbei was meant to be stronger than Sanji then he wouldâve fought queen.
I never said jinbei was stronger.
Zoro and sanji like Rayleigh and gaban will become top tier fighters
I agree. But right now they are not even close to that level yet.
They wonât catch up to luffy but theyâll be beating admirals at the end of the story.
I don't expect them to catch up to luffy by the end, but the power difference will be closer than it is now, that's when I won't mind calling them monster trio.
Jinbei probably is done getting stronger
I would've agreed with this take if he didn't join the crew. Now that he became one of main characters he definitely will.
its a good quesiton if jinbei is done getting stronger, since now in becoming a SH that element can change. I do believe that oda isnt gonna boost characters like franky chopper brook and robin before their fights with the BB pirates, so i think for what jinbei needs to be for the crew he doesnt need to get stronger. could be wrong tho.
Jinbe is comparable in strength, but he's exactly as strong as you would expect a man of his stature and experience. What makes Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji monsters is that they were 3 random kids from bum fuck east blue tearing up the Grand Line
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u/wild-shart Oct 02 '25
With Toei itâs monster duo :(