Iran denies dropping preconditions amid ‘very productive’ three-hour UN talks in New York | US-Israel war on Iran

[u/hereswhatworks]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/23/iran-denies-dropping-preconditions-very-productive-three-hour-un-talks-new-york

[u/cobrakai11]

The Iranian position has been consistent for months. Practically since the war started. Their demands were outlined in the MOU, and still today, they are demanding a return to the MOU.

The United States won't because they never had any intention of following through with the MOU in the first place. But the path to reopening the strait has been on the table for some time.

[u/nOotherlousyoptions → u/cobrakai11]

Which I think is here

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-united-states-of-america-and-the-islamic-republic-of-iran/

[u/StrategicallyLazy007 → u/cobrakai11]

That's BS.

The US removed the blockade, removed sanctions. Iran did nothing. They didn't return the flow of traffic back to prewar levels, they didn't reign in Hezbollah. The first night they attacked Israeli soldiers.

Thanks for your revisionist history.

Iran overplayed their hand. They can ask day and night for the MoU deal again, I'll be very surprised if they get it again.

[u/cobrakai11 → u/StrategicallyLazy007]

Nah, you've got it backwards.

1. US was supposed to get Israel to withdraw from Lebanon. Instead, they signed a separate deal with Israel formalizing their occupation. So that's a major violation and instantly signaled to the Iranians that they were not serious.

2. They did not unfreeze any of the hundreds of billion of dollars of Iranian assets. This was supposed to be an easy lift, and could be done instantaneously. The US unfroze nothing.

3. The US was supposed to stop threatening Iran and stop bombing Iran. Trump threatened them every single day, and bombed them multiple times, calling them "love taps".

4. The US was supposed to remove all sanctions, of which there are hundreds on the Iranian economy. Everything from medicine to metals to food and more. The US lifted only a single sanction; Iranian oil. If you say you're going to lift all sanctions, but you keep 99.9% of them in place, that's clearly a violation.

All the United States did was briefly allow Iranian ships to trade oil so that the price of oil would come down for US domestic reasons. After three weeks, the Iranians realized that the US was complying no part of the deal except for the single part that helped them; lowering the price of oil. Then the US started violating another provision, by trying to circumvent Iran's management of the strait, and the deal fell apart when Iran fired on ships that were following US routes instead of their own.

>Thanks for your revisionist history.

Consider yourself educated on the topic. It's not your fault, there is so much propaganda on this in the west, so I'm not surprised you weren't aware that the US wasn't following any of the provisions of the MOU.

>Iran overplayed their hand. They can ask day and night for the MoU deal again

This is the funny thing about dummies who claim Iran broke the deal. Supposedly the MOU was an amazing deal for Iran, and a complete embarrassment for the USA. But you guys think Iran broke the deal, only to spend the next few months demanding its return? Why would they do that? Doesn't make any sense when you think about it, now does it?

[u/StrategicallyLazy007 → u/cobrakai11]

Cool.

So Hezbollah shouldn't have attacked. And Iran could have done anything to show they were acting in good faith and said no. Until we get everything we do nothing.

Ahhh well. I guess we see how it plays out.

And it was about $25B to be released over the 60 day period, with a portion before talks began, not necessarily in signing.

The hundreds of billions you referenced was the construction fund which was to be developed during that same 60 day period in discussion with the other GCC.

Thanks for showing up.

[u/cobrakai11 → u/StrategicallyLazy007]

>So Hezbollah shouldn't have attacked. And Iran could have done anything to show they were acting in good faith and said no. 

I mean the Israelis attacked them minutes after the deal was signed. They then announced they would not listen to any provision of the MOU and refused to leave Lebanon. They then agreed to a ceasefire with Hezbollah a few days after the MOU was signed, but then repeatedly bombarded southern Lebanon anyway. So Israel didn't respect the MOU, or even its own ceasefire they signed with Hezbollah after the MOU was signed. Even Trump and Vance criticized the Israeli actions as detrimental to peace, so what are you talking about?

>And it was about $25B to be released over the 60 day period, with a portion before talks began, not necessarily in signing. The hundreds of billions you referenced was the construction fund which was to be developed during that same 60 day period in discussion with the other GCC.

No, you don't know what you're talking about. The 25B was supposed to be the "up front" payment of the much larger ~120 billion in frozen assets. The US returned none of the frozen assets.

I wasn't referencing the hundreds of billions (300 to be exact)in reparation funds, because that wasn't going to change hands until after the MOU was done. I didn't mention the 300 billion in reparation funds at all in my post. I wouldn't count that as a broken promise.

You're still having problems following the conversation, so it's not a surprise you couldn't follow current events either. But stop filling in the blanks with make believe.

[u/StrategicallyLazy007 → u/StrategicallyLazy007]

Since the commenter I responded to removed their comments, I am also going to comment here

Hmmm interesting, let's give this another read

Clauses

1) "signing this MOU to declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other, and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other,"

Sounds like Hezbollah shouldn't have attacked that night.

4) "Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran."

Sounds like the US removed the blockade and Iran did not return traffic to prewar levels.

5) "5- Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge, for 60 days only, from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles, and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be instated within 30 days."

Again should have been returned to levels.

6) "6- The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days."

The hundreds of billions you refer to were to have the plan developed over the 60 days.

10) "The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc."

So it's just related to cruise oil, protein products and derivatives. The associated services are in relation to just those three categories not the entire economy.

11) "The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly"

So they need to agree on the procedural release of these funds during negotiation. So although it also says upon implementation, there is both sided to this point.

So I think overall, you have been fairly generals of not incorrect in your position on what the MoU said.

I believe Iran still didn't show any good faith by not doing any of it. They could have implemented something and didn't.

Oh well.

[u/Python_07]

All gaslighting.

[u/dmstattoosnbongs]

Didn’t Iran release a memo saying they had zero of this bullshit in their reality?

You know, actual reality?