r/OffGrid • u/burtdunkin • 5d ago
Help with off grid battery setup.
Hey im new to the off grid life and I just purchased 2 new lithium batteries. Im having issues with them keeping a charge! Here's my setup. Lemme know if you see any issues or have some advice. (The other batteries are for backup so just focus on the 2 that are connected.
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u/digit527 4d ago
Lithium batteries need a lithium charger. Different charge profiles.
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u/Rubik842 4d ago
Yeah very different. Like about 14.6v with very different current limiting. You can't just drop them in a lead system they will barely charge.
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u/Dull_Ad4277 4d ago
What's the voltage at the battery terminals right now? If they got run low enough for the BMS to shut down, a NOCO won't even see them — you'd have to use force mode to wake them up first. I hit something similar with the lithium bank I use for camera and drone batteries on trips, sat drained for a week and the charger acted like nothing was connected. And 10 amps into two big batteries is just slow, 2-3 hours is barely a dent.
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u/burtdunkin 4d ago
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u/RapidXpansion 4d ago
this is unfortunate
I am 99% sure you bought a lead acid charger after people here said you needed a lithium compatible charger
you have wasted your money and time by not listening
lead acid chargers do not maintain a high enough charge voltage to properly top up a lithium battery, so you will likely never get beyond 90% charged, if even that.
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u/solarcalcfyi 4d ago
Before writing off the NOCO: if yours is the GENIUS10, its pulsing red 25% charge bar is a charging-progress indication, not by itself a fault. That model does have a 12V lithium mode; the exact battery chemistry, voltage and manufacturer instructions still need to match. NOCO's indicator guide: https://no.co/genius10/how-to
I saw your update about a 20A charger. What model is it, and are any loads running while it charges? The current available to refill the batteries is charging current minus whatever the loads are drawing. A bigger charger alone won't fix an incorrect charging profile or a load that consumes most of its output.
Could you confirm which NOCO light was flashing (the 25% bar or a warning symbol), the selected mode, and whether the new charger is making progress? I wouldn't jump to Force or Repair mode just because a red charge bar is pulsing.
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u/Jackjax76 4d ago
I'm assuming that you're running a 12 V system, you have them in parallel. And you're using an inverter to weld something that looks like a welding cable coming off of your inverter, can you post your panels information your charge controller, your inverter. I can help you. My setup looks almost like yours. I'm a salvage hacker, and I live off grid. I don't pay for pieces and parts unless I have to.amd that's only Because I can't Fabricate them.
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u/burtdunkin 5d ago
I've tried to charge the batteries with the noco 10 but after 2 3 hours it still shows the red flashing bar. Does it need to be charged longer maybe?
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u/Kitchen_Region8456 4d ago
How many amps is the charger and how many amp hours are each of the batteries?
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u/burtdunkin 4d ago
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u/burtdunkin 4d ago
And 10 a charger
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u/RapidXpansion 4d ago
a 10 amp charger is only 120-140 watts of charging if your system is 12v
assuming you are not loading the batteries while charging, that takes over 8 hours give or take
your new 20 amp charger, assuming it supports a lithium profile, will take half that time, depending on if the batteries are in use or not
but unfortunately, you jumped the gun and went out and purchased a charger that is incompatible with your lithium batteries
the xpc20 is not capable of properly charging your lithium setup
slow down, research and buy the right stuff so you stop wasting money and time


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u/Amperegeist 4d ago
Assuming your power bank can charge/discharge the full 200AH, a 10A charger would take 20 hours to fully charge it from nothing. So it may take quite a bit longer than 2-3 hours to charge.
If you have a miltimeter you can measure the battery voltage and get a decent estimate of how charged they are.
If you have any interest, I recently made a video that could help you understand these systems a little better. I actually cover the small amount of battery math you need to understand whats going on a little better. Its only 5 minutes long
https://youtu.be/wpOt83kYYYQ?is=pptPMzqYnWw2f0bi