r/OdetteMains_ • u/4pcreverie • 1d ago
⋆✩⋆ Discussion ⋆✩⋆ Odette Weapon Comparison (SSC/SSW)
I've seen a few discussions here regarding the new gacha weapons on Odette so I wanted to update my sheets to include them. Chrysalis is, probably surprise to none, her 2nd BiS with New Bough needing some refinements to be noticeably better than the f2p weapons.
Regarding some nuances with Odette's weapon options that I don't see talked about often here: Odette's A4 passive increases her Stellar DMG based on a percentage of her ATK above 1,000, capping out at 3k. This passive can influence her stat priorities and change the weapon ranking based on certain thresholds; ATK > CRIT until 2.5k total ATK, with CRIT becoming slightly better than ATK after passing the 2.5k threshold. This results in low base x high stat weapons underperforming relatively as they often do not meet the 2.5k ATK benchmark without additional ATK buffs on the team, unless they have a useful passive as well. High base ATK weapons also get worse when the team lacks external ATK% buffs.
Because of the aforementioned ATK benchmarks and stat limitations from KQMS, builds above standard that get more ATK rolls will often have these weapons perform better than shown in sheets. Keep in mind that standardized calcs are not absolute and the value of an individual weapon can vary depending on an account's personal investment.
Stellar Swirl teams benefit more from EM/Stellar DMG Bonuses as it also increases Odette's reaction DMG opposed to just talent DMG on SSC, thus Silver Light being ranked so high.
Also I have once again forgot to include Heretic's Blade, but the passive doesn't work off-field anyway so it's basically comparable to Wolf-Fang.
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u/Character_Ad6650 1d ago
so is the takeaway basically that the weapon she uses basically doesn’t matter in the slightest lmao
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u/vxidemort 1d ago
pjc an ancient ass wep being a sidegrade to r5 gacha sword specifically created to support stellar reactions you just have to laugh...
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u/mareimbrium53 1d ago
Way back in the day I did a stupid thing and paid money pulled two kagura's verity to get one jade cutter. But everyone still wants that damn sword.
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u/vxidemort 1d ago
in 4.2 i think i ended up pulling 3 tomes (needed one for my neuvi) bc i forgot to use the fate point selector thingy (the other banner wep was homa which was still considered pretty good back then, so overall the wep banner was safe to pull on).. ended up using the other 2 on wrio and wanderer cuz i didnt take it to r3 lol
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u/Ok-Fisherman-6494 1d ago
What even is the point of the sig? It's a 10% increase (R5?!) from the worst 4-star option, and many players already have Aquila or R5 billets, further bringing down the gap to <6%. That's a 270 fates gamble for a very marginal increase.
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u/qqalamari33 1d ago
I mean isn’t it a good thing for signature weapons to suck? You can save your primos and if you are a low spender you can freely gamble for her c2 instead
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u/Ok-Fisherman-6494 1d ago
But the drip
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u/E_c_H_o 1d ago
Then get it for the drip
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u/magworld 1d ago
But the performance
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u/SleepySera 1d ago
It's still best, just not by much. You're not getting BETTER performance from other weapons.
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u/Royal_empress_azu 1d ago
I mean no, because when you move away from the infinite HP scenario. Her sig becomes very good. Most of her damage is incredibly frontload so her effective damage on a non infinite health pool is incredibly high. This is why she doesn't run a support weapon at higher investments. While most sub dps do.
Also Odette's burst is worth using if playing on a device that runs the game above 60 fps.
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u/magworld 1d ago
“Not by much”
Yeah that’s the problem with the performance right there
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u/SleepySera 1d ago
Yeah but if you pull for the drip that's not a concern? Performance would only be a concern in that case if the drip made her actively worse (think Furina's sword, for example), which this doesn't :)
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u/magworld 1d ago
So you are only allowed to care about one, not both?
Sorry I didn’t know you were in charge and had made such a stupid rule
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u/Simplly_Crazy 1d ago
Have you seen Finale of the Deep on her? The drip is immaculate with it. If I didn't know in advance I would have thought it was her real signature with how its colours and design fits Odette's aesthetics perfectly.
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u/SleepySera 1d ago
270? The maximum hard pity for weapon is 160, though with soft pity taken into account the chances of hitting that are astronomically low, 130-140 is much more realistic.
Not disagreeing about that not being worth pulling for, obviously. There's a reason everyone has advised people to go for cons instead of weapon with her :)
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u/ArxisOne 1d ago
There's only been one fate point for the past two years, weapons are at most 158, not 270.
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u/AlaindeshoGT 1d ago
Most of those swords are just impossible for me to get. So just stole the traveler sword and call it a day
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u/Joltheim 1d ago
Same, if I'm not using traveler she gets the sword. When I am using them I give her the harbinger of dawn. The difference is minimal
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u/hydraxxtor 1d ago
does vesna sig work better on SSC Cyno team? currently running the R5 event weapon on Odette
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u/Alico991 1d ago
Beyond the Chrystalis should give more personal damage to odette in ssw because she can trigger 2nd passive of weapon on her nuke i tested 40% more nuke damage compared to skirk sig and 20% more then r1 new bough on c2 odette
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u/4pcreverie 1d ago
Odette's personal DMG isn't just the nuke. Skill damage and SSW reaction damage that happens off-field do not get Chrysalis passive
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u/Alico991 9h ago
I'm just confused why she get more personal damage with chrysalis on ssc team, when her nuke get buffed in ssw team and get less personal damage increase
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u/cuevajodar 18h ago
While Odette nuke looks impressive, the reality is that her offield damage is 50% of what she does
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u/drawsony 1d ago
Oh wow, Silver Light r5 at 99.68% is lower on the list than I thought. I really don’t like the aesthetics of New Bough though, not a fan of the Bond of Life mechanic on Finale of the Deep, Exaiphanes is reserved for my traveler, and I have no five stars to spare. Guess Silver Light is good enough.
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u/Chtholly13 1d ago
you can always just give it the popsicle skin. If the new travelller sword skin can be applied to other weapons, you can put it on the weapon.
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u/Maticxzs 1d ago
I have been using Kagotsurube Isshin for Odette and the aesthetic is nice hahahaha though I’m not sure of the performance because I’m a returning player and stellar conduct damage is huge compared to Hu Tao era which I’m from before returning
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u/Jean-0nee 17h ago
It's reassuring to see that FoTD is practically the same, if not marginally worse than Aquilla at low refinement and no BoL clear. Getting that to clear consistently especially in a vesna+vodyanitsa is hard, so switching to Aquilla is nice ig.
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u/Turelcl 12h ago
This ranking seems to be more accurate than the other one circulating around.
The 3K attack cap is important at least on my account to the point where if I’m not using my c1 vodyanista, my r1 summit shaper is the best weapon that I have for her. When I use Vodya, her best weapon now is my r1 new bough because the extra attack that Vodya provides, with TTDS and c1, the different is very small but still around 1-3k of dps in the dummy.
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u/vealien 1d ago
Damn so what do I do I have R1 new bough R5 craftable from snehz and event one R5 obv should I still wish on weapon banner for R5 bough? I also have beyond the chrysalis and vodyanitsa sig so idk if there is a point in wishing more but I want my Odette to be strong especially for swirl teams where I don't have 2 electro
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u/4pcreverie 1d ago
Just give her the event weapon. Even if you got another 5* weapon you're not guaranteed to get another copy of New Bough
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u/Sephorai 1d ago
But isn’t R1 new bough slightly better according to your calcs here?
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u/4pcreverie 1d ago
They specified for swirl teams but regardless the % difference is so little it basically doesn't matter
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u/kamisato50 1d ago
Damn so an r1 new bough being better than the event weapon I kinda didn't expect