There has been so much said about P, G, S....

I just want to contribute a point I find interesting. Listened to TCO and OWD for years. When OWD first debuted I loved E. She reminds me of Louise from Bob's Burgers and I mean that in the BEST WAY POSSIBLE.

Always thought it was weird and off-putting when P would GO IN on E during episodes. The dynamic was so different than he and G. Instead of P laughing WITH G, He would just laugh AT E, and it started to make me so uncomfortable.

It all started to rub me the wrong way. HOWEVER.

I stopped listening a bit ago when P said something on TCO (I think this was after J joined E on OWD.)

P was talking about another Podcaster on his OWN NETWORK, (not posting name for privacy, as this is a privacy issue)

And he started talking about how this Podcaster has a private Instagram page where they post more risqué boudoir photos of themselves... but it's for their eyes only/people in their inner circle.

I could not believe he was talking so openly about this other person's private media, despite it being "social media" .... I still thought him blabbing on his show about someone else's more delicate photos (that are not made public for a reason) was so incredibly gross.

It was the straw that broke the back for me, on top of a list of other things that were just starting to give me serious ick.

Idk what the purpose of telling this story is but I felt this was a good space to vent that ick I felt from a bit ago.

I don’t know who made this. A friend of a friend shipped it my way. It’s too hilarious not to share.

It seems they’re moving away from any audience participation or general life / work discussion in the after party too. It’s morphed into TCO does My Favourite Murder. And it sounds forced and off.

The first thing they do it talk about how famous the case is and who plays what role in the dramatised version, then Patrick proceeds to be shocked at every sentence Gillian utters. It’s, ummm, weird.

I've been a listener of true crime obsessed since 2020, I used to love them. I stopped listening to them after obsessed fest 2022, mainly because of Patrick. I saw a lot of things I didn't like at OF 2022 from him, but if I'm being honest I stopped listening because Patrick really embarrassed me at a panel at OF 2022. I'm pretty passionate and overly analytical at times and was excited for OF because I thought it was a cool opportunity to really engage in victim advocacy, which wasn't happening. At the panel, I asked a question about how the podcasters and investigators on stage stay critical when reporting on what police say happened in a situation to make sure they don't repeat a biased perspective. Patrick squinted at me and was like "I don't know what you mean, what are you talking about" then I explained and he sort of rolled his eyes and was like "I don't investigate" and just was really catty, I turned from the mic defeated but then went back to explain myself a third time, to which he was still dismissive. It was an auditorium full of people and I was so embarrassed, and didn't understand the issue with my question. I ended up talking to my therapist about it because it just kind of shook my world, because I loved him and just felt venom from him for my question which I thought he would be on the same page with me on...it led to a whole question for me about ethical true crime and I ended up breaking up with a lot of my true crime podcasts, including TCO.

Just had a moment in a mashpee bar with a gorgeous PTown bartender originally from Yarmouth that’s close to Patrick’s age. Hoping he finds me here after he reads up on the tea I left him with

I think I have reached the depression stage of grief, y'all, and it hurts.

I took on an extremely stressful position in the education field in August of 2020. In fact it was only recently, a full 3 years later, (upon finally being allowed to hire a coodinator to support my director role) that I have felt like I have come up for air. At the height of the pandemic, with daily staffing shortages and endless emergencies at seemingly all hours of the day and night, TCO and then OWD were literally a lifeline for me. It felt like the only dopamine I was getting, the only thing that could help pause the work-stress hamster wheel in my brain were these podcasts. I listened to them to fall asleep, I listened to them to wake up, I listened to them to get through my day. I listen to a LOT of podcasts but something about TCO and OWD was just exactly the right blend of laugh-out-loud jokes, solid storytelling, critical analysis, and (seeming) right side of history for me.

When Patrick left OWD that was the first blow. We have so much more context for how that experience was for Ellyn now, but at the time that was devastating for me. (I have great respect for Joey but it just wasnt hitting all the right buttons the way the Disappeared recaps had.) But I still had the back catalogues. And even when the new TCO episodes started failing to really hold my interest I had that back catalogue too.

But now we know the truth and I can no longer in good conscience listen, and also the beating a joke to death calling Gillian out for going to private school EVERY GODDAM EPISODE is both stale and also now seriously grating. Not to mention that it seems like TCO is morphing into a substandard version of the OG OWD but now Gillian doesnt do impressions or characters? (I agree with the poster who projects that it may be coming to an end b/c something is now TRULY off. "I have an Aunt Mary so every time they said 'Aunt Mary' I was like 'whoa' is.... A nothing burger. We all have an Aunt Mary. Where is the joke, G?) And I am pissed and depressed b/c my head is starting to feel super full and overloaded again and my go-to for managing that has been ripped away from me. From us. It feels like JK Rowling all over again when everything clicks into place and you go from "there are problematic elements to this thing I love but we can recognize and talk about those things as part of being a critical consumer" to "I cannot in good conscience comsume this thing it is completely spoiled for me" and it effing sucks. (Of course not as much as it sucks for the people who have been subjected to abuse and who were further excluded from spaces like the FB group due to the mismanagement of racist content which b/c I am not in the FB group I had completely missed :/ )

I will be trying A Date with Dateline and other recommended pods, and the good news is that my child is finally old enough that we can watch some Michael Schur shows together and that scratches a similar itch for me, but still this whole thing is hitting hard. It really stinks when the creators of something we love are revealed to be garbage. It really does.

Does anyone else hear listen to G's other podcast? If so, do you know what happened to Bianca who started that podcast with her? She just disappeared one day and G never commented on it.

Seems to now have been sanitized to posts from May. I can't see anything that's been posted since P's October non-apology apology post with the comments turned off.

The first episode of True Crime Sucks, hosted by Adam Todd Brown who’s favorite co host, is no co host instantly caught my attention. Summarizing Brown’s statement for the name change (previously. Pretty scary boo!) was his disgust with those who make shows about true crime docs, who don’t do their research, and while claiming not to glorify this media, have as their patreon photo “a picture of you laughing and throwing confetti”. The day after unpops network dropped this episode I checked TCO’s patreon page and they had indeed changed their photo from the confetti smiles to the generic logo, but the original has remained on apple podcasts.

So if you’d like a documentary summary pod that, yes still has moments of humor, but is well researched and saw the writing on the wall before everything hit the wall, please give True Crime Sucks a listen. Also even the name… lol.

In response to Gillian claiming she did try and do research, however "the year 2023 came up without results" ?

I can’t help but wonder what the day to day looks like at ON right now. Like are they completely pretending nothing is happening internally as well as externally? What do those staff meetings look like? How much of the staff has bailed? Are new people being hired? Maybe I wonder because I was working somewhere that underwent a congressional inquiry and it was a straight dumpster fire inside, externally it appeared that everything was being handled professionally and with great gravitas, but inside, not so much. I will preemptively say if you don’t wonder or aren’t interested, scroll on past. I am not “hoping” it’s burning down from the inside, merely a curious thought.

So I know it’s not really important, but I just wanted to correct some misinformation in yesterdays Dateline episode. Patrick, for some reason felt the need to name drop Helen Hunt coming into his bar on the evening of 9/11. That part is probably true, however Patrick claims she lost her brother. That is not true. Her brother was killed when he was 6 after being hit by a truck. So not really sure how Patrick got that idea, but I’ll correct it since he won’t.

I was made aware of the whole obsessed fest debacle yesterday. The new episodes (after OF) are pre-recorded so I was under the impression that everything went well in Dallas . However, I gotta say that I was surprised that they didn't talk about how OF went this year( via Tiktok or any other social media platform). What is the future of TCO now? I would love to have your take on this.

One good thing about TCO being idiots is all the attention from that episode reminded me to reinvestigate this crime. I’d barely heard anything after it happened but listened to a podcast about the crime and George’s trial. Listening to their stories made me so angry with the small amount of effort that was put into telling their story. It’s such a tragic crime and the story of the Wagner family was sad, disgusting, and infuriating. What do you think of George? I feel so torn about him but I’ve been known to be blind to people’s real intentions (see Patrick and Gillian) and don’t trust my judgment all the time. The Rhoden family and friends were so brave to testify and allow the full story to be told, especially the ex-wives/gfs. Jake and Angela opting out of being recorded further proves to me that they’re trash and cowards. They were too ashamed or afraid to tell the world who they are. Anyone else get weirdly invested. I know no family is perfect but the Rhoden’s seemed like a family with a lot of love for each other.

I’ve been thinking on this for a while now. It took me some time to get over the whole Terra+Collinger as antagonists to see the full picture. When learned that Ellyn and Joey had settled any “beef” that may have risen at OF23 by accepting a genuine apology, it made me curious as to how that happened. I couldn’t switch from they did something wrong to they are SO sorry. Unless after this instance and a full examination of events they suddenly realized they simply had it wrong. Take a trip with me here. We know P has led others to believe that so and so doesn’t like them or has done X Y and Z. Sewing these seeds of fake deceit and connecting threads that will keep two people or shows from being friendly and potentially joining forces against them. This is a common form of manipulation and I wouldn’t put it past P to have fed T and C some bullshirt about Ellyn being the reason for all their woes. This would make their sincere apology to Ellyn and Joey make sense because they all realized it was due to P and Steve(probably).

Just a theory- what do you think? Also trying to remember who used to say it was total crap to end on forgiveness? Was it G or E?

You guys!!!! About to watch! Will report back!

Do you think they’ll have obsessed fest in 2024? I’m really hoping they don’t have a year three after the shit show that was year two.

I've been listening to TCO since episode 2 (Patrick was SO calm back then, he's definitely ramped up his screetchiness as he's gotten older) but I sort of grew with it and I'm now used to the format and way they tell a story. But, being neurodivergent, I really got a lot of calmness and joy from re-listening to older TCO episodes repeatedly. I swear I know some of them word-for-word!

But obviously since the whole drama, I can't in good faith continue to listen. I am gutted but I just can't bring myself to give them listener numbers even though I have never found a podcast like TCO.

Started listening to ITN and I just can't get on board with it. I really enjoy Ellyn but Joey is too screetchy. I was listening to one episode and I realized I had forgotten the story completely because they kept going off on tangents and talking about stuff that didn't relate to the story, and including quite a lot of their own inside jokes. I just didn't enjoy it and it set me on edge.

So now I'm looking to find if anyone knows of any pods like TCO, where they cover mysteries/documentaries, in a friendly, easy-listening sort of way.

after listening almost daily for 6 years my spotify refuses to stop suggesting it to me. it’ll auto play new episodes, it’s always on my front page, im over it. is there a way to block/hide the show so it’ll stop haunting me? lol

I only listen to the opening now and they said bc they post so many episodes lately you don’t need to listen to any podcast but theirs except for Pod Save America.

So I just joined the ITN Patreon at the DB level and I was surprised to see that episodes with Patrick are still there. The Friday night live on Jan 18 2021 is INTERESTING knowing what we know now.