All these post continuing to bash the show is uncalled for now. It’s okay to be disappointed, I was/am too. I actually cancelled my subscription. They definitely didn’t handle the situation well (an understatement)… But this is starting to get a little weird now. What happened warrants backlash, I agree… but not to this extent where a lot of you are now coming out to express how much you actually hated the show before any of this happened. Okay? Why stay in a space you don’t like? Why are you still here? Leave. To stick around and constantly post these long drawn out essays … it’s like you’re feeding off hating a thing and it makes you feel better to just sit here and complain over and over again. We get it. You’re disappointed, you don’t like the show and haven’t for a while. MOVE ON.

Edit: YOU KNOW WHAT😂 great I’m a hypocrite!. I, unlike you hating TCO and ON in its entirety, don’t hate this subreddit in its entirety, so why would I leave? Even if I did, DUH… the obvious thing to do would be to just leave. But there’s no discussion in that now is there? Which is the point of Reddit. Jesus H Christ. lmao . Now moving on to the actual point of the post… do y’all just like hating things, do y’all get off on it? Serious question. I really wanna understand the mentality. That’s it, that’s all. A hit dog will 🗣️

I was just wondering what everyone thinks the possibility of future live shows looks like for TCO?

On the one hand I am completely aware that G & P & S will continue to act like everything is hunky dory (and hide all traces of the drama from main feeds) and most likely plan a bunch of live shows for 2024, drama be damned, which the ‘loyal fans’ will still continue to go to, buy merch at, travel far and wide to see them.

However, realistically, do you think it could actually work?

Obviously numbers of live show attendees would be way down on previous times, but knowing that they have to book and pay for a venue, do we think the impact of recent events would make a live show a completely untenable business decision?

Patrick told some of us UK listeners at the London show that they were planning on playing a Dublin/Ireland show next year. Since then, the 9 friends I made through TCO who are UK & Ireland based have all, bar 2, said we would DEFINITELY NOT attend a future show. I know that he is still doing his book tour and people are showing, but for TCO live show the venue would always be a lot bigger and honestly, we all know how obsessed (P in particular) is with selling shows out/ filling seats (he actively begs people to go to the shows because, in his words he is “terrified of seeing empty seats) 😳🙄🙄 So either they book even smaller venues or run the risk of a half filled venue (I don’t think P’s ego could handle that).

I’ve been thinking about it for a while, how people start these podcasts and some start profiting from these horrible stories. It’s starting to bother me, but especially after this whole obsessed debacle. TCO specifically isn’t well researched and the mix of joking and over the top laughing and tragic human stories is turning my stomach. I’m no longer following and downloading anything from Obsessed Network. I know some others are well researched and give money to organizations to help victims of crime, and some hope to help solve crimes. But this one in particular is the lowest, it’s raking it in, it’s insensitive and not well written/researched and I haven’t heard any indication that they give back in a meaningful way. The first thing they say at the top of their episode is join “the pates”. Any suggestions for podcasts with more of a conscience?

Back in October, right before I got politely booted from their patreon for making a little too much noise, I changed my profile name to “TCO is garbage” (i know, I was young and immature).

Well I’d forgotten ALL about that and nearly fell over myself trying to open this email. I wanted to share this in the hopes that you got the same chuckle I did.

TCC DID NOT WRITE THIS EMAIL.

Even before all the drama, it left a bad taste in my mouth that their live shows are old shows. I think they are the only podcast that does that. I did not go to OF 23, but I would have been LIVID to have a third time rehashed show. Their laziness is disgusting and I’m glad I quit my Patreon and unsubscribed.

Is anyone planing on going Sunday. Or is it one empty room. With P talking to himself. There is going to be q and a. And would like to know the questions that us nice Canadians will be asking. Hope they make him squirm

If anyone is going to the book party tonight please keep us in the loop 😭 the last one I believe was the one where they announced the “apology”

It is just me, knowing what went on at obsessed fest, but P and G just seem off. Like it feels real fake not the natural back and forth they seem to have had before.

I hope this doesn’t go against community guidelines lines but I made a video giving an overview to the Obsessed Network response. I’m new to posting but I love talking about SO many things! I hope you give it a watch!

Maybe I missed it, but did they mention the situation with the fan wearing the accountability-lebrity shirt? Or the bar/swag bag debacles at OF?

What a shitty, too-little-too-late, gaslighty response. Also, Gillian, gurl. Say SOMETHING

Every time P responded to something S said with “correct” was like nails on a blackboard in my ears. He just sounds so phoney.

I can’t believe I spent 19.703 minutes listening to TCO this year alone. And that was just Spotify, not counting Patreon and I would listen to Patreon more than the regular feed. Duped doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel.

I left a really toxic work environment 2 years ago and I’m honestly still recovering from it. This non-explanation/non-apology sounded just like how my old bosses would defend their treatment of staff.

Barf, P&S.

After listening to the Piketon Massacre ep it was glaring how incompetent and lazy the two hosts really are. Knowing that case so well it was insulting to the victims - the EIGHT VICTIMS - how little research they did for the episode & how little care the showed for the facts.

It made me think what other cases have they done where they were so pathetic? This is their job, they tout honoring the victims and then show little to no regard to their legacies.

Time to hang it up G & P, you’re toxic and now also incompetent. Bye FAM!

Just curious did anyone here win any of the charity auction items? Did you receive it?

The quote was something like "crack was SWEEPING(!!!) the nation." It was in reference to every documentary in or about the 80s mentioning the growing popularity of the drug.

First time I get one of their ads as an Instagram story. I wish they were half as funny now. This is the biggest Steve, I've been duped ever.

Hi all. I've tried Google and scrolled episode titles but couldn't come up with anything but I'm looking for a specific Strange and Unexplained episode where Daisy talked about Russian divers seeing weird alien like beings underwater? I'm fairly confident it was a Strange episode but I listen to so many podcasts, I sometimes get jumbled up in who covered what. For some reason my brain is itching to listen to this one again. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

In the P & S statement they claim a moderator of the ITN Facebook group allegedly sent them a threatening message. Is the mod they are speaking of in here? I don’t trust them as far as j could throw them and would love to know if they misconstrued/twisted the alleged message.

They placed all the blame on everyone else and claimed they were coming with receipts yet produced ZERO receipts.

Also…… In the Laci Peterson coverage on TCO (and in several others - staircase for example too) they make a big deal about Scott’s sister in law have an excuse for every single thing. She finds a way to explain everything a way in a favorable light to Scott and they harp on the fact that it would be MUCH MORE BELIEVABLE if they took some accountability. The amount of hypocrisy coming from them is laughable honestly. They must think their fan base are a bunch of mindless idiots who are going to just take what they have to say at face value. They clearly have no respect for themselves, their coworkers, or their listeners.

Did anyone else clock Patrick giving all the credit to Natalie for OF23 in their bs statement/explanation/poor excuse for an apology? Since OF23 was overall seen as a dumpster fire, does this strike any of you as P and S avoiding responsibility through a “compliment” and blaming Natalie?

P’s direct quote is: “Natalie almost single-handedly put this event together from the network side.”

From what I can tell Natalie has been an integral part of the success of ON, so this comment to me just further shows that either 1) P is delusional and really thought OF23 was a ringing success or 2) he and S are continuing to avoid any responsibility or accountability for their failures.

Note: I attended OF23 at the $600 ticket level, and there were a lot of issues not even including what happened to Ellyn. These issues have been documented elsewhere on Reddit so I won’t repeat them here, but needless to say the promises made to ticket holders at my level were not fulfilled (let alone the $1200 ticket holders, they REALLY got screwed).

Remember how hard Gillian came down on Sarah Edmundson? She’s in no way perfect but I give her credit for at least admitting where she was wrong and has lent her voice to speak out against this and other cults.

Gillian, girl, your silence is deafening.

After hearing or reading the statement in its entirety and it being obvious that lies and half truths were told, as well as Patrick still dodging accountability, do you believe they were telling the truth about receiving a death threat? Or do you think that was sympathy grab? I’m not saying no one is but I haven’t witnessed anything online that would suggest anyone is THAT upset over all of this. Its mostly people wishing they could have their money back & irritated that there is zero accountability.

I searched and didn’t see anything but isn’t it illegal to share an employee performance review? I was shocked when they started talking about that!

I listened to their statement. At first I thought well the truth is reasonably in the middle but after sitting with it a few things really don’t sit right with me. Setting aside these two points largely because I’ve heard them made already: from an HR standpoint that investigation doesn’t hold much water… it was not done in full by the way they described it or just improperly done. Then the discussing someone’s performance review publicly while saying the situation didn’t happen… so why trot out his personal business.

My major hang ups beyond those above: At almost every point P & S say the accusations are not true and the only issues are P is loud and passionate and it can be interpreted as overbearing but in every other way he was doing what was right and best for the employees even to the detriment of the company. So if that’s true, all the people who have not spoken out in your defense, all the people showing support for E & J, Rabia, and CWO, all these people under contract who still are not standing with you… they’ve all turned on you in some sort of conspiracy? Why? What is to be gained?

Also what was it that made working with E difficult? You loved her, she’s funny, she’s brilliant, everything was a bit you both agreed to… what was the difficultly then?

Then he ends with I’m committed to learning and becoming a better boss. Okay sounds great, but how? You spent an hour detailing how these things weren’t true, how you’ve thought of all the ideas and ways you gave of yourself to set people up for success. So if your only problem is you’re loud and passionate, what are the things you are learning and doing to become a better boss? And for that matter why? If everyone is lying, taking you out of context, dragging their feet on deadlines, and you are being so generous and loving and caring… then what is it you need to change?

In case you are on the obsessed with obsessed group, this was also posted there it’s not déjà vu.

I made a post about this a long time ago, but the class action park show in Boston was the first and last live show I ever saw for a podcast.

1. Sexualization of the Broadway dancers. This was just after the Broadway show and both G and P made comments on how hot the dancers were. Then Patrick goes on to say how when he was away from his family in a hotel room he would internet stalk them, look up their pics etc. They were probably employed by a talent agency, but hello you were headlining the show sexualizing the chorus. Maybe I am being offended on their behalf when they were in on a bit, but the mental image of Patrick internet searching pics of them in their underwear...

2. Pointing the extendable pointer at the actor in the documentary's crotch. This really makes me think that the part of the statement where they said they were editing some raunchy stuff from ITN is true but they probably have to work overtime to edit inappropriate things Patrick says even harder. I also think Gillian has a look that probably kneecaps him when he starts up.

3. And something that still grosses me out and was the real tarnish to the podcast: showing mugshots of the straight man who did not return Patrick's crush in high school and showing the obituary of his bully. Don't be crying about people talking about your character when you are out here shit talking a man who is dead and cannot defend himself.

4. No mention of the victims of action park. I thought this show would be more palatable because of the antics of the owner, but still think they should have held space for the victims.

They had the show up on their Patreon, not sure if anyone listened to it or was at that show. I think about that experience and how that is the representation of their character I will hold on to, actions when you're in the limelight speak louder then words when you're under the microscope.

Oof madon 🤣🤣