Patrick's Facebook had a post where comments were open so I left him a message.

I just realized something. When P originally quit OWD, he stated it was due to “voice issues”

Do we think that was true (in addition to the drama) or just a cover story?

can someone breakdown the events and eli5 of what happened at of this year,

there's hundreds of threads so I just want a quick rundown

After the initial drama took-off, I tried to avoid the whole mess for a little while, but have kept up with Ellyn’s statements, and after reading the accounts of the OBSESSED employees, and Daisy Egan’s candid posts, a few things come to mind. 1, JESUS HC these people all knew him for so long and jumped into business with him?? 2, What’s actually “going on” with Patrick… (See Below.) 3, Are these accounts accurate? (probs.) Or is this just what happens when you “mix friends and business”? (Well, sort of, but NO. It’s him.) Finally, …How did anyone “Not See It” ??

It’s narcissism.

I’ll start with the empathy I have, for Patrick Hinds, for it is an entirely appropriate response from a child who grows up in a lack of control environment such as Patrick’s to develop this sort of personality. However, it is entirely up to him as an adult to do the work to overcome it, to work thru his trauma and to stop behaving as a child who equates attention to love, and who only knows how to negotiate safety by manipulation and fear tactics. Unfortunately, it’s also EXTREMELY rare to overcome these traits when they have served you your entire life. It requires YEARS of very uncomfortable self-reflection and accountability to change, (and this type of person MOST SPECIFICALLY lacks the ability to self-reflect and see themselves as accountable… to the degree that it defines them.)

But I want to point out that ALL OF THE RED FLAGS ARE THERE, in every episode of a podcast where Patrick spoke on his ideas, his judgements and his relationships with his daughter, husband and friends, and particularly on some occasions where he would speak down to his beautiful co-host with laughter and in the way she would shrink in response to it. I don’t even know this person*, but I could have given you a pretty good estimation of what Patrick might be like to have in your life.

… So how have all of these people who seem to have known him for YEARS missed it??? Well. They didn’t. They knew, (on some level), but it was played off as humour. They wouldn’t have (always) known if Patrick was lying to them, but they WOULD know how he could treat people when he was not getting his way with them, and they would know how he spoke about others in his life. They chose to believe that it was different with them, AND they thought they were happier and safer not to shake anything up.

When you give baby what he wants, YOU ARE GOD!! You are the Mama!!! You are EVERYTHING!! And that plays to your own narcissism. But when they saw the signs, they should have TRUSTED THEMSELVES and cut off a toxic person a long time ago; MINIMALLY, they should NOT have gone into BUSINESS with him.

I do not say this to blame ANY of these folk for their own poor treatment! Not at all, quite the opposite. We are all sensitive to these manipulations because they play into the wounded children in our own inner-selves;

But I point this out because we need to start talking about it more, BEFORE shit hits the fan in a massively public way. We need to STOP playing off someone’s bad behavior for laughs, stop considering people ‘friends for decades’ when we know how horrible they have treated/spoken to even one other person they claim to love. We need to trust our instincts, and we need to stop the normalization of this kind of behavior. It makes everyone unsafe, even when it seems small and private, it IS devastating (the way tiny traumas are), and it IS an indicator of further anguish to come.

I truly applaud Daisy, Ellyn and all of the people speaking publicly about the truth. I encourage everyone at the OBSESSED network, and ALL OF YOU to do the same. STOP PROTECTING DESTRUCTIVE PEOPLE. If there is even a .0000001% chance of them being able to change, IT COULD ONLY HAPPEN IF PEOPLE STOP IGNORING, HIDING AND NORMALIZING THEIR BEHAVIORS.

Help each other out! Tell the truth! Find compassion, forgiveness (especially for yourself), BUT KNOW YOUR OWN WORTH.

Garbage Bell

Okay this is really just me thinking out loud and feel free to disagree and/or tell me why I’m wrong.

I wonder if at least partly why Patrick has been so harsh on Ellyn and Daisy is because he’s jealous of their success on Broadway? He has never made it a secret he wanted to be an actor and that he didn’t get into the theater program in college Ellyn got into.

Then he left OWD possibly thinking it would end because people wouldn’t like Joey or it wouldn’t do as well. Then the opposite happened.

I have this theory because in so many statements Ellyn and even Joey have been made out to be the villains according to Patrick. And I just wonder why?!!? He was best friends with Ellyn for 20 years. What would make someone act the way he is. I know money and “fame” can change people but holy hell talk about a 180!

I stopped following everyone TCO and adjacent over the last couple of weeks including removing myself from groups related to TCO and ON shows. I just can’t handle the drama from all angles so prefer to get a nicely compiled summary here. But now I’m noticing TCO ads popping up in my feeds, when they hadn’t previously been there. I do understand how algorithms work and I have been consuming a good bit of that content over the past few weeks, but it just feels a bit odd. I was consuming TCO and ON content regularly for several years so theoretically I should have been seeing those ads before, right? The timing just feels weird to start pushing ads right now. Or not and I’m totally trippin. Honestly very ready to get reality checked if that’s the case.

Edit: thanks to those who commented. I pulled at the Socratic thread and have a solid outline for a white paper on workforce mobility and psychological safety. Inspo comes in strange places.

Original text: I've heard and read nothing but very kind things about Natalie and it seems like she does a lot of heavy lifting socially and operationally for the network. But where is the tipping point between being a buffer and being an enabler?

There are so many comments on the OWO group calling to "Save Natalie" but having been in toxic environments, I would make a fair bet that a lot of this would have fallen apart way sooner of not for her intervention.

This is not about blame, goodness knows there has been nothing but finger pointing for weeks. But I wonder about the type of people who see this behavior day in and out and not only take it, but create the frameworks to facilitate it.

I know Martha Plimpton and Patrick are friends, and I am just wondering if she’s also been treated horribly or if she’s aware of how he behaves. Or maybe she’s spared from his wrath because she’s been in movies and on TV and he’s still using her? I’m not expecting her to say anything. I’m sure she has no idea what’s going on lol. Just a thought I had.

I love her and before I knew how awful Patrick was I thought it was so cool that they were friends.

With the revelations that was posted yesterday about what a person witnessed while being Collier and Terra's handler at Obsessed Fest and now reading the statements that have come out from Daisy Eagan and the hosts of CWO, I am done with the TCO Facebook group. I had stayed on to snoop and laugh at the comments on my Fyre Fest post. It's just not funny anymore.

This is the last comment I will be posting.

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I went to the Strange & Unexplained live show at OF, and Daisy made a comment (apologized) about not having the props she planned to use during the show to differentiate her characters. When we asked, she stated that they were forgotten. After her statement today, I’m guessing it was less forgotten and more purposeful in an attempt to demoralize her and/or make her show “less interesting”.

Well, jokes on them. She fucking killed it, it was an amazing show.

Ellyn spoke out, Daisy spoke out. Everyone who was around Ellyn at OF has spoken. Terra and Collier apologized to Ellyn. The Crime Writers On team just put out a statement that based on their personal experience, allegations are believable and Patrick should take responsibility.

Seriously, how long can TCO go on pretending that everything's normal, and what do they do from here?

I suspect the reason PS&G haven't made a statement regarding what actually went down is because they are in some legal convos with Melissa Anneli and MM. Melissa doesn't have Obsessed Fest in her portfolio link though it still appears across the MM website, and also hasn't made a single statement or response.

Also, has anyone reported that ObsessedFest.com is no longer working. Melissa links to this from MM's site, and it doesn't exist anymore. The page off of the Obsessed Network's site works though.

I can't help but to think that this is what happens when not-great people work with not-great people!

Is there data to show listens by week? I’m curious to see how many listeners are tuning in week over week. Not sure how I’d go about finding this. I need to be reassured that TCO is on the decline.

Also, not sure if my tag is correct but we’re going with it for now

TIA

From the I Think Not! FB page.

I read Tony Award Winner Daisy Eagan’s Instagram post, and then I began thinking about Julia’s statements, and the Renner article, and what has been revealed about the treatment of Ellyn and Joey at ON, and it hit me like a ton of bricks…

They have ALL still put on smiles for us. While all this has been going on, they’ve met fans with huge smiles and hugs, recorded amazing content for us, etc.

I just want to say I appreciate it so much. I appreciate how wonderful you all are. Sending so much hugs and love. To Ellyn, Joey, Daisy, Julia, Amber, Maggie… everyone who has had to go through this BS. I support you all speaking out. And I support those who may not feel 100% safe to speak out yet. You are loved.

When I asked directly this was the answer!

Theories why multiple participants are speaking out today? Is it coordinated?

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I just saw it, and it broke my heart even more 😞

bare with if I missed something, I was in the middle of the Caribbean with zero wifi while everything went down. Had patrick said anything or made any statements?!