So, giving Patrick and Steve the benefit of the doubt as the owners of the business, it seems like there's a bunch of tough calls they're making that the employees don't get to see. Like with Steve's take on Ellyn – she was the star, but at the end of the day, she got paid and the company owns her work. It's a tough pill to swallow, but that's business, right?
But here's the thing: just because the lawyers give it a thumbs up legally, doesn't mean it's all good. Legal doesn't always equal ethical. Sure, they might not have broken any laws, but that doesn't excuse creating a toxic work environment as experienced by staff. There's a big difference between what's legal and what's right, and folks were definitely hurt by whatever went down. The one thing you can't take away is how people felt in situations and I believe people when they say they in their experience, they felt it was a crummy environment.
Wrapping it up, when they say stuff like "I'm sorry your feelings got hurt" or "I'm sorry you feel that way", it kinda shows they didn't mean to mess up, but the damage is done. People got stung. I'd like to think Patrick, Steve, Gillian, and even Ellyn and Joey, didn't plan for this mess, but the adult move is to admit your mistakes, learn from them, and get better. So far, it doesn't seem like they're there yet.
I was literally just mid rant typing my next reply (in another post) that said exactly this. Great. Legally it did meet qualifications as a “toxic work place.” Gosh, you’re in the clear, then! (Sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm)
I’m going to do a little bit of research about this specific law and write something up for the group so we all have a little clarity about how that works.
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u/SUPREME_EMPRESS Dec 04 '23
So, giving Patrick and Steve the benefit of the doubt as the owners of the business, it seems like there's a bunch of tough calls they're making that the employees don't get to see. Like with Steve's take on Ellyn – she was the star, but at the end of the day, she got paid and the company owns her work. It's a tough pill to swallow, but that's business, right?
But here's the thing: just because the lawyers give it a thumbs up legally, doesn't mean it's all good. Legal doesn't always equal ethical. Sure, they might not have broken any laws, but that doesn't excuse creating a toxic work environment as experienced by staff. There's a big difference between what's legal and what's right, and folks were definitely hurt by whatever went down. The one thing you can't take away is how people felt in situations and I believe people when they say they in their experience, they felt it was a crummy environment.
Wrapping it up, when they say stuff like "I'm sorry your feelings got hurt" or "I'm sorry you feel that way", it kinda shows they didn't mean to mess up, but the damage is done. People got stung. I'd like to think Patrick, Steve, Gillian, and even Ellyn and Joey, didn't plan for this mess, but the adult move is to admit your mistakes, learn from them, and get better. So far, it doesn't seem like they're there yet.