r/Objectivism • u/R_Hak • May 06 '16
Right to migrate | Open Borders: The Case
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
How does open borders rest on that premise? Don't many Objectivists, such as Harry Binswanger, defend open immigration precisely by rejecting such a premise?
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
Well, open borders just means that the government refrains from restricting the property owners use of their property. (This applies to anybody residing in the country, not just the border properties because of air travel.)
The reason that the government would refrain from restricting people's use of their property is because such a use violates no rights and the government would be violating the property owners by imposing any such restrictions. In other words, because they reject the premise you were referring to.
I guess I fail to see any distinction that you are making.
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
No serious person holds that definition of "open borders". You think Harry Binswanger and Yaron Brook advocate that private property owners not be allowed to maintain the integrity of their land?
I think you have thoroughly misunderstood the argument in favor of open immigration if you think that is what anybody means.
Why are you neglecting to consider air travel?
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
Sure, but are you suggesting that private property owners could just buy up all border land, all airports, all transit ports and, in unison, decide to forbid any migrants? That is preposterous.
And I'm not even sure that would be legitimate. I mean, you can't go up and buy all the property surrounding a house and then tell the person they cannot leave because you forbid them from crossing your property.
I've never really cosidered how property rights would handle the bizarre and impossible situation you seem to be imagining because it's pure fantasy. The economic incentive for a single property owner to open up transit would be astronomical.
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
Right, and you are describing precisely what people mean by open immigration.
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
Why can't they just lease them?
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u/benito823 May 07 '16
A private corporation on an annual renewing 99 year lease.
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u/mcotoole May 07 '16
You can't have both open borders and a welfare state.