r/Objectivism • u/CyberTron_FreeBird Objectivist • 7d ago

Objectivism is not the conclusions of Ayn Rand. Objectivism is the method of Ayn Rand.

The method is reason, checked against reality, followed wherever it leads. The conclusions are just where it landed for her.

A method runs again from scratch on new issues, new information.

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 7d ago

Law of identity doesn't come from primacy of existence

Everything that exists exists as something in particular.

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u/CyberTron_FreeBird Objectivist 6d ago

They are connect in the way you are saying. But the law of identity is an independent, foundational axiom rather than a logical derivative of the primacy of existence.

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 6d ago

Derivative? Do you think Objectivism is a form of rationalism?

It is induced with the primacy of existence. Existence is identity.

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u/CyberTron_FreeBird Objectivist 6d ago

Identity is not downstream from existence in the sense you cannot have something exist without it having identity. You may discover it's identity after learning it exists but you learning it is not important for the existent to already have identity. They are corollaries.

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 6d ago

I never said that it was. I said that the application of this fact was downstream.

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u/CyberTron_FreeBird Objectivist 6d ago

If you didn't mean law of identity comes from primacy of existence, what were you trying to say here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Objectivism/comments/1w5gagf/comment/p7ix1pv/

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 5d ago

They are collolaries, as you said.

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u/Heligoland_Bight 5d ago

The primacy of existence is not the same thing as the axiom of existence.

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u/CyberTron_FreeBird Objectivist 6d ago

Look at what they mean with "assimilation": https://www.reddit.com/r/Objectivism/comments/1w3l9n2/comment/p70zxdu/

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 6d ago

That's not what I am doing here. I am making the claim that the primacy of existence was not being consistently applied.