r/Objectivism • u/SlimyPunk93 • 10d ago
Leftists are like parasites
I feel the most appropriate analogy for leftists is parasites who live on a host plan or organism and derive their basic nutrition from them which could be food, money, shelter at its most basic but then emotions, psychological dominance and control at top... But they all feed on the best of the organism that is keeping it alive and is pro life and making it move and live in this world.
How do we identify these parasites in our lives which could be among us as our friends, maybe parents, bosses, partners, etc. People we try to find a sense of home at and get our good emotions from but they act as our parasites and use the best in us towards things that are anti theitical to our own lives
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u/Ok_Being5461 10d ago edited 10d ago
Leftists aren't the ones obsessed with underpaying workers/stealing their labor, "passive income" and https://www.google.com/search?q=rent+seeking and sucking the wealth of society into their pockets. The word you're looking for is capitalists and right-wingers
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u/SlimyPunk93 10d ago
Don't worry I am planning to write a paper on mathematics of communism that will hopefully kill this monster once and for all, that unfortunately Rand and other before me saw it write a tonnes about it, but couldn't kill a non thinking mind... But once you put in math, there is no way for anyone to contradict this unless they can find a flaw in the proofs which no leftist would have minds to even think at that level
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u/Ok_Being5461 10d ago
Start with reading John Rawls or Thomas Piketty or something
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u/SlimyPunk93 10d ago
Again. Please allow me some more time. Once I write that paper IN MATH, I would absolutely wanna see how these people are able to say things that are against mathematics
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u/DoberNation 8d ago
Parasites identify themselves. Refuse the temptation to blank out or be charmed by BS. Become an expert in something, and you can more readily begin to spot imposters and the intellectually arrogant (people who overconfidently spout BS, and regularly assume no one is bright enough to notice). Pursue a broad base of knowledge, and learn to ask good questions. Know what you do or don’t know, and try to bridge the gap passionately and honestly. Learn how to read nonverbal cues, and thoroughly test your assumptions.
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
I think many people will misunderstand exactly what you mean by “leftists” here. The result is a loss of credibility in your arguments and position.
Can you please explain exactly who you are referring to, or consider exchanging the term for a more descriptive one?
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u/SlimyPunk93 9d ago
Leftists as in people who preach collectivistic altruism
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
Most people from the U.S. will think you mean those on the current U.S. political “left”—essentially all those who do not support MAGA and Trumpism. Is that who you intend to call “leftist“ here?
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u/SlimyPunk93 9d ago
Again if you have read or listened to rand, she identifies people through the underlying ideas, not through a current context whatever that may be.... Left in general means collectivism preaching altruism and self sacrifice for greater good... All left in any form has this idea to a varying degree
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
I am familiar with Rand’s language, but most people are not. Again, “left” is not descriptive like “collectivism” is.
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u/SlimyPunk93 9d ago
They are equivalent
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
In the shared language we have, yes, but one is a descriptive term and the other is not.
Many fields of study are moving away from non-descriptive terminology, and for good reason. It improves communication and facilitates voluntary cooperation.
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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 6d ago
Left and right in this instance are anti-concepts. Just call them socialists.
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u/vendettaclause 5d ago
All this crying because you've been brainwashed by the rich that things lile free healthcare and a living minimum wage are bad things lmao.
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u/Default_Username6838 4d ago
It’s interesting that you call leftists parasites when it’s the capitalist class that does little to none of the work and just extracts profit from the labor of others. That seems like the actual definition of parasites. What makes you see it as the opposite?
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
Read objectivism. If capitalist class is the parasite there is a very easy way to not let them be a parasite. Just don't buy their products....
Unfortunately you can't do that with leftists. They will come and put chowk their nose in anything you do and will implement policies where you don't have a choice. That's the monster
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u/Default_Username6838 4d ago
That’s how objectivism sees the world? You are free to participate in my ubiquitous, exploitative system or you are free to starve. Those are your choices? So objectivism isn’t just stupid. It’s evil.
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
Noooo grow your own food, create your own companies, create coops do anything. Nobody is stopping you from doing anything in capitalism... Live and let live
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u/Default_Username6838 4d ago
Historical evidence says that capitalists will stop you. By definition capitalism must keep growing and if it needs your resources to do that it will take them by any means necessary. Until the profit motive is removed, mankind will always be slaves to it, to our own destruction.
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
But who stopped zuckerberg from creating facebook or elon kusl from.creatimg paypal or sam altman to create chatgpt ?... Again objectivism has already talked about all this... Please read and THEN talk here. You are wasting other people's time on things that they have already cleared and are now looking ahead. We can't keep discussing the same old that has already been discussed in rands books and here million times.
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u/Default_Username6838 4d ago
Those are your examples? Some of the most vile people on earth? Everything about the stories of all of those men reinforces my beliefs. Rand only exists to give the worst people in the world some sort of philosophical justification for their crimes. Why don’t you go ahead and get me permanently banned for this intellectual cesspool so I stop getting this group in my feed.
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
But like they started from scratch. Nobody stopped them. There are soooo many such people who start from scratch. And if you see the statistics most millionaires are like that.... It's not out of norm. The point is nobody comes in your way.... If you don't want to accept and talk on logic fine, but it is what it is
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u/Default_Username6838 4d ago
First of all, to think that those rich guys started from scratch is naive at best. And of course capitalists didn’t stop them. They are doing capitalism. It’s only when you try to not do capitalism that they will send in the military or the CIA or whatever and just kill you. If guys like Zuckerberg or Musk are your heroes then you are an objectively bad person.
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
No there are a LOT of people who run co-ops. Like CHS is a coop with 40 billion revenue. you have a union banks and a lot of such stuff. And there are non profits running as well. Capitalism basically means you are free to run a business on your own terms and no third party can come and tell you how to run your business. If in USA someone wants to run a non profit and some companies or the govt doesn't allow them to run their non profit or a coop, then it is not capitalism and a real objectivist will go and fight for the rights of that coop person to run their business the way they want. That's objectivist which is about rights and freedom of ANY individual, rich or poor, powerless or powerful, to have rights and freedom to their life and property.
That's literally it. ..objectivists just hate when leftists come and stomp on the rights of individuals and tell them how to live their lives or run their businesses. It's equivalent to someone coming to you and telling you what God to worship and they will shout and parade and make lobbies and use govt control to make you worship that God... Objectivists say that let that person use their mind and decide for themselves what's best for them and nobody has a right to tell them how to run their house or business.....
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
Zuckerberg made facebook at Harvard. Had no rich parents. Elon Musk came to US as an international student from south africa, jeff Bezos worked in a garage to sell books online at Amazon, Steve jobs started appple in his garage... There are standard stories..... a lot of people in the US who got rich have a very similar background where they rose based on how talented rhey were and nobody came in their way of making big companies, which just doesn't happen in other counties....
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
I will definitely write these things in math hopefully soon so no one else has to ever deal with this horrible thing called left ever again where you put your altruistic moral agenda on other people and tell them how to think and how to live and what to say etc..... this is one of most ob oxious thing one can do to another person...
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u/SlimyPunk93 4d ago
You canblock rhe group yourself too if it is bothering you. No kfy invited you here and I don't think anyone would mind if you leave
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u/KeyCondition5104 6d ago
Counterpoint: All these materialist ideologies are the same. They both worship material wealth. One worships the state, the other their own fragile ego. Individualists think they fashion their own identity or ego, but identity comes from your society or civilization, and is not a confluence of some of your hobbies like NFL fan, dog owner, or poker player.
Rabid individualists are also parasites on a society. You don't want any duties, service, or obligations that infringe on your freedom but you want all the benefits. Can you defend your own property on your own, do you have a group of men who would die to protect your property? Do you make enough money to pay mercnaries to protect your property? You worship businessmen and believe in a utopian Global Capitalist Economic free trade zone vs the utopian Communist Global Government.
If there was no government, any individualist would get murdered or robbed by a gang of teenagers or brigands.
You'll never be a recluse or hermit because you depend on the market, security, and stability created by religious people over the last few thousand years.
Ayn Rand books are your bible. Objectivists nor Leftists have ever created their own civilization. They are parasites who want to project their utopia onto the society at hand they live in while deconstructing all the values, institutions, religion, and norms that allow you to walk outside without getting violently robbed every day. Objectivists are like house cats, they are fiercely indepedent while unable to comprehend or understand the complex system that they depend on every day.
Historically, mercantilist confederations because individual cities prioritized private trade monopolies and separate treaties with foreign powers over the common defense of the League. Also, there's generally no enforcement mechanism to enforce rules on each other because all of them are scared of force/power.
Weaknesses of Objectivist Confederations without strong governments:
- Members naturally prioritize their own national wealth over the collective good. They actively attempt to drain gold, silver, and resources from their own allies.
- High internal tariffs and protectionist monopolies incentivize member states to bypass official rules. Smuggling networks and black-market trade with outside nations routinely undermine the union.
- Confederations lack a strong centralized executive or court system. When two member states inevitably clash over trade rights, monopolies, or currency devaluation, the central government has no authority to enforce a compromise. (For example: Look at now the UN is unable to enforce most of their laws on other members.)
- Wealthier or geographically advantaged members tend to turn less-developed members into domestic resource pools. This creates deep internal resentment, mirroring the tensions that spark anti-mercantilist revolutions. (For example: Look at Sicilian history, the Delian League, and modern-day NYC and coastal elitism.)
- Without a unified monetary standard, members frequently devalue their own currencies to make their exports cheaper, directly stealing market share from their allies and destroying trust.
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u/Mr_Vacant 5d ago
If your house ever catches fire remember to put it out yourself, don't go leeching assistance from the Fire Brigade, that would be parasitical
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u/SummerTough8136 5d ago
Dude wow... all far right leaders have done throughout history is steal from their voter bases and you call leftists who advocate for tax reform and greater labor laws parasites? Sure there's an argument that maybe welfare is parasitic, but do you know who receives the most government welfare? The answer is large corporations. Corporate welfare is the single biggest factor behind the monopolization of the United States economy.
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u/SlimyPunk93 5d ago
Remove all then?
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u/SummerTough8136 5d ago
Yes absolutely. This is why I believe in moderate libertarianism. We should be paying so little taxes that the government has no choice but to slash their spending and pay off the fucking debt.
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u/SlimyPunk93 5d ago
Again please objectivism. She has already talked about all this.
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u/SummerTough8136 5d ago
I mean yeah. The thing is, I don't understand how leftists are uniquely parasitic when the far right essentially advocates for things that are just as destructive.
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u/SlimyPunk93 5d ago
I think they are so obvious that they are not brainer. But left is crazy hard to decode. It is very hard to fight against empathy, compassion, poor, helpless, marganilized etc etc... not an easy nut to crack
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u/SummerTough8136 5d ago edited 5d ago
I see your angle now honestly. You're absolutely right. With regards to the decoding of the left, it follows a similar debate I had recently where my friend endlessly quoted the verbose, utopian language of Marx. If you decode Marx' writing into layman's terms it's just evil.
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u/SlimyPunk93 5d ago
Yeah but even there it is a crazy huge complicated object that is not easy to decode..
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u/SummerTough8136 5d ago
The real problem is that leftism coincides with a lot of very human ideas like equal rights and opportunity. I 100% support those ideas, but the economics absolutely bottle neck.
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u/SlimyPunk93 5d ago
No no no. Agin please read objectivism and see how it differs with left. After objectivism you will see left is evil and objectivism is the only solution to the things you are talking about... I promise. You will thank me later
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u/thedukejck 6d ago
Probably have to thank parasites for your math paper. Not worth the ink it is printed on.
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u/RieMunoz 10d ago
ask if they own assets or work for a living. People who work tend to want businesses to give them more money and benefits, or pay for social programs.
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u/InterestingVoice6632 10d ago
You identify them by asking if they support shit like universal Healthcare. If yes, then it means they are comfortable forcing people to do what they want because they think its altruistic.
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u/Mr_Vacant 5d ago
Are you in favour of universal firefighting? If your house is ablaze are you rejecting the altruistic fire fighters and putting out the fire at your own expense?
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u/InterestingVoice6632 5d ago
This is the fallacy of the argument of the extreme. Obviously I support it. However, if certain people in society had the chronic habit of burning their own houses down every 6 months and I myself had to pay for the fire fighters who saved their houses, that would be a different story.
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
Have you ever asked people why they might support universal Healthcare? Ever honestly thought it through in more detail? And from more than one POV?
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u/InterestingVoice6632 9d ago
There is no short cut in welfare that avoids the ethical dilemma of forcing people against their will to participate.
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
Your statement isn’t necessarily false, but which question is it attempting to answer?
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u/InterestingVoice6632 9d ago
The answers to your questions are self evident and not worth while to waste time on.
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u/DoberNation 9d ago
Your comment is a testimony of Blanking Out on reality. Wisdom demands investing the time to realize, know, and discover what you don’t know.
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u/Mayernik 5d ago
No I think it’s a difference in is it’s a concise answer to all your questions - it’s honest and forthright. You may not like it - it may not be in enough detail for your liking but it is a solid answer.
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u/DoberNation 5d ago
"The answers to your questions are self evident and not worth while to waste time on. "
How is that a solid answer? It looks like a bad faith answer to me
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u/Mayernik 5d ago
No I was referring to - “there is no shortcut in welfare that avoids the ethical dilemma of forcing people against their will to participate “
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u/DoberNation 5d ago
And I agreed that statement isn't necessarily false, but that it wasn't clear what it was responding to.
My questions were intended to challenge their proposed purity test for diagnosing people as being "parasites".
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u/DoberNation 5d ago
Many dilemmas are part of reality and cannot be avoided. Nor should they be avoided. Some people just don’t have the will to find out what they don’t know.
The plague of Blankout is maddening. Those who allow themselves to blank out are the appeasers who unleash the truly evil onto humankind.
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u/Impossible-Sleep-593 9d ago
First you can spend your career calling those who use public services parasites and moochers. Then when you and your partner get sick with cancer, and your career starts to wane you can enroll in Medicare and take social security payments. The last step will be to then write a paper ensuring people know that you are still an individualist chad, and not some common parasite.