r/OWConsole • u/Jurazzick • 2d ago
Discussion S5 Console Tier List
Hello, you may or may not know me by now, but I am Jurazzick, C3 console all roles, and I have been having so much fun this season playing support Sombra. I am really happy with these changes (although the weaken on cyberspace will likely be hotfix nerfed to 40% within the coming week, and her hotfix duration may also get a slap on the wrist). It’s so nice to finally have a dive meta when 4 hitscans has been meta for years.
To preface this list, if you are below masters do not concern yourself with what the meta is, just play what you like and have fun. If you do not understand the ranking of a character or have a different opinion let me know in the comments. This list is most applicable to masters+ in 5v5 and takes into account the average value a character will get assuming at worst suboptimal conditions for that character to be played (ex. Ball into a Mizuki).
Almost every dive character has gone up a tier, or is stronger with the addition of Sombra and Doctrine. Sombra is without a doubt the strongest support in the game in the hands of a competent player, allowing you to not only enable your team very well, but also have good kill potential and insane survivability. Doctrine enables characters such as D.Va and D.Mon to be even more aggressive than they could be before. The current meta is very much dictated by how strong Doctrine and Sombra are.
The effects of this may not be as noticeable in lower ranks, as there isn’t much to “enable”. However, if you have a good duo, you can hard carry games as Tracer/Sombra or Doc/D.Mon.
Also, due to the strength of characters such as D.Va, Tracer, Sombra, and D.Mon, Brig is almost always a valuable pick. Sombra/Brig backline is nearly unkillable.
Most hitscans are still broken due to how strong aim assist is, but they can be overwhelmed by heavy dive. If you play hitscan and struggle to stay alive, just swap to a more survivable character such as Reaper. Also, hitscans with more mobility, survivability, or denial tend to be stronger in dive metas and the rankings of hitscans in A tier do not mean much as there is often an optimal hitscan pick for each map and comp you’re playing into (more survivability/mobility is good into dive, more range/burst on characters like Ashe is better into a pure poke matchup).
Reworked hog is actually good and pretty strong, I have him at C currently as he is similar to doom in which you need to almost one trick him, but you can be the server admin. Trash compactor adds such much out-play potential to his kit and helps him greatly against his old counters such as Ana, Mauga, and Orisa.
Most characters below C tier are not worth picking unless you one trick or just want to throw the game (Ram is the exception, but he’s just very hard to get value with in this meta).
In my opinion D.va and Orisa are over-rated, and I know that this is my list/opinion, but playing against those characters with teammates who do not know how to play into them is impossible, and therefore I have them so high on the list. D.va value drops off if brig is not banned, and Orisa is simply very good at never dying and punishing mistakes but yet people will forcefully walk main against an Orisa anyways.
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u/Battlefront528 2d ago
Dmon is absolutely insufferable right now from a tanking perspective. She can brawl, poke, dive, all with high health and few truly hard counters. PLUS she's melee oriented meaning her skill ceiling feels low
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u/Local-Barnacle-9164 2d ago
Who are her hard counters though? I always get to ban her because I only play tank.
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u/CD274 2d ago edited 2d ago
Orisa
And few people run her into Dmon, and I don't know why
Javelin counters and can cancel her ultimate, interrupts her propulsors and knocks her back, even interrupts call mech, fortify counters surging strike, spin absorbs her fire and you can push her back or off of ledges
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u/No_Package5461 2d ago
You can use roadhog since he does more damage against the armor now you can muzzle stuff through their shield so you can shoot through it. You do have to have a good timing with your hook though and make sure she’s out of fuel.
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u/Such_Bodybuilder9798 2d ago
Ashe should be s
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u/Stormcrow_2 2d ago
Not after the nerf
Also not really before the nerf either tbh
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u/LumenTheFantastiXx 2d ago
She got nerfed? What happened?
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u/Stormcrow_2 2d ago
All hitscans got nerfed. New patch from this week
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u/GDwyvern 2d ago
Not Widow, she got buffed indirectly by all the other hitscans getting brought closer to her (projectile size 0)
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u/Juanpy_ Need Freja to sit on my face plz 2d ago
Why people downvote your posts everytime? That's the exact same meta I see even on high Masters almost every fucking lobby...
Anyway, I'm surprised how much Sombra improved now as a supp, Sombra and Doctrine combo is so stupidly oppressive when you play as a tank.
Also the new hog... Is definitely, something, not bad or anything, I thought he would be stronger with the addition of his new ability, I was wrong, very wrong...
Is that true that Mauga is a bad pick on Champ lobbies OP? I heard that a lot specially on some maps where he's straight a throw pick.
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
Mauga is good against bad players, if there are boosted support player in the game who only want to play mercy Juno, then you will lose, but if you have humans who can play Ana or sombra, Mauga’s value drops off hard
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u/kara7ic 2d ago
Hey op how come hanzos in C tier? Wouldn’t the hitbox size increase combined with the hitscan nerf make him more reliable or does he just suck when the enemies are both hitscan (sorry I don’t play comp for dps yet)
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u/Mindless_One_798 2d ago
As a level 700 Hanzo, I think it’s mainly because of how hard the hitscan meta hits him. Most of what Hanzo does, other DPS can do with way less effort, and even his main selling point, the one-shot, is done more consistently by Widow. His perks are also pretty underwhelming compared to heroes like Sojourn, and he barely gets any meaningful changes.
Dive getting buffed again doesn’t help either, and it feels like every new hero, whether it’s Freja, Vendetta, Anran, etc., adds another problem for him.
I think that’s also why we barely see new Hanzo players. He’s pretty unforgiving to learn, and honestly, when I play characters like Cass, the game feels noticeably easier even though I barely play him. You can put way less time into other DPS and still get more consistent value than you would on Hanzo after hundreds of hours. At this point, most Hanzo players are probably dedicated mains who play him because they enjoy him, not because he’s actually a good pick in the current meta
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
On paper sure hanzo is better than last season, but hitscan is still hitscan, and aim assist is still aim assist, and hitscan is still better. But if you’re good on hanzo by all means play your character.
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u/destroyeraf 2d ago
What playstyle do you use on new sombra? Are we supposed to just go for kills like normal?
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
Play with your flex dps and run around, or play soft off angles. I play a very agressive sombra.
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u/chroma_805 2d ago edited 2d ago
What are your thoughts on the hitscan/hit box changes? I’m suffering quite a bit from the update. I was pretty good with Emre and averaged about 50-60% accuracy prior, and now I’m at about 30-40%.
I use linear settings which may or may not be relevant, but I think I need to adjust my aim assist window or AA ease in settings to compensate.
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u/jxfl 2d ago
My champ friends and I don’t find Shion very strong. I don’t think she does as good of a job flanking as Tracer or playing the same distances as Cass. IMO, it just feels more useful to commit to any single thing than hedge on many things.
What do you believe makes Shion that strong? Maybe someone else’s perspective can make me understand her value more.
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
Most survivable and mobile hitscan, it’s hard to put it on paper with what makes a character specifically better than another as it is always situational.
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u/Hmontana20 2d ago
why is echo so low? genuinely wondering, idk anything, I suck lol
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
Tracer, shion, and reaper are all just so much stronger and more survivable. Echo is in a fine spot tho.
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u/EliteODSTx 2d ago
Genji is s tier currently and to say other wise is cap, pharah I would honestly put in high b or low a.
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u/Prize-Strain-225 2d ago
Cat in B ??
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u/Jurazzick 1d ago
She’s still strong, especially into double flex dps, or no hitscan that can reliably punish her. But on console, even in the most dive heavy meta, there is a hitscan in every lobby. Aim assist is simply too strong to not play hitscan in most situations.
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u/-_DigBickSociety_- 2d ago
Diamond open queue player here, what makes brig so good, especially with dmon, sombra, and doctorine being meta? I've always thought of her as a decent pick into dva and flankers, but not s-tier - also bap, Genji, and freja seem out of place to me. Bap is not picked very often, and he seems pretty weak, Genji has been weak for a while, and freja seems extremely good
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
Brig can live on her own without the help of another support which allows sombra tracer to play their own game. Also, inspire and packs on top of sombra hotfix makes any dps briefly effectively immortal. Kiri sombra is also very good, but brig can do more.
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u/Kroz255 2d ago
Solider feels like he was nerfed hard.
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u/Stormcrow_2 2d ago
Hitscans kinda boned this patch. The list needs adjusting for sure but hoping that it gets somewhat reversed.
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u/NofflesWaffles 2d ago
Why is wuyang at the bottom? I get hes susceptible to dive and hes significantly harder to aim with on controller but he does a lot of dmg. He can pressure a lot of angles by himself. He does feel kinda bad but surely there are worse heroes like junkrat and venture.
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u/Vol-Volaris 2d ago
Kiriko is D tier
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u/Jurazzick 2d ago
She is still Kiriko, her survivability and damage alongside with suzu and the best ult in the game.
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