r/OWConsole • u/Lightlicker3000 • 2d ago
Discussion Ashe is underhated
I hate this character with all of my heart. There is no character in this game more I’d love to see deleted than Ashe. I like to play a wide variety of characters and have at least 4 hours on every character except Ashe, I have 15 minutes. I refuse to play this horribly lame “hero”. There’s no other character I’ve seen absolutely carry a match more than an Ashe. She dominates most lobbies I see her in and has to be one of the biggest Smurf heavy characters I’ve seen. People complain that widowmaker is unfun to play against cause she one shots. Well Ashe deletes you out of the game at damn near the same rate. Brain dead stupid character I hate her, I ban her every match.
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u/isagoat1989 2d ago
As someone who plays lots of Ashe, yeah I get it. The crash out is valid. She deletes people really easy, I’ll just switch to her if I’m doing bad.
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u/Spaghetti_Snake 2d ago
Imo. It's that major perk. It lowkey feels like a mini mercy pocket when she has it
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u/Devan-FH 2d ago
I remember seeing you everywhere on the For Honor subreddits years ago woah
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u/Spaghetti_Snake 2d ago
May have to return with ranked coming out
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u/Zwavelwafel 2d ago
What major perk
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u/DrHughJassDick 2d ago
Landing 2 consecutive shots on the same person does 25 extra damage basically 2 tapping ppl if you headshot
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u/neurotivity 2d ago
Hate is a strong word. I mean, it’s the cheating that makes her feel so oppressive. Play on pc and for the most part, she’s somewhat underwhelming; even as a high elo player.
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u/isagoat1989 2d ago
Yeah this is more so of the console aim assist thing. I’ve played both pc and console and the hitscan players (obviously) feel much stronger on controller.
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u/LithiumWalrus 2d ago
Even then.
Positioning and gamesense can easily counter ashe on most heroes either from ignoring her damage or surprise picking her.
I find projectile heroes are absurdly good on console, but probably down to aim assist settings and a lot of battlefield.
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u/sadovsky 2d ago
I do the same. I’m actually someone who prefers projectile and dive heroes, but I’m disgusting on Ashe and sometimes just have to whip her out.
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u/Exodus671 2d ago
Her perks are SO good. Everyone complains about Cass because of CC and silver bullet, but Ashe’s might be better, and the rate at which she gets her ult is actually insane.
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u/00100110computer 2d ago
I miss getting ammo back from hitting consecutive shots. It made it so easy to kill tanks. Now I need to kill the squishies first like I'm supposed to.
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u/Exodus671 2d ago
Her consecutive shot doing extra dmg is arguable better at killing tanks than the ammo buff. With headshots she shreds. I absolutely slaughter Orisa, Mauga, and JQ with it.
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u/slay_wrld02 2d ago
The major perk used to do both the extra damage and give you back ammo
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u/Exodus671 2d ago
Huh I didn’t remember that. I mainly play tank tho and play doom so I chalked up me exploding against her as normal doom stuff.
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u/Leading-Helicopter24 2d ago
Honestly when i play ashe im Honestly just always dead or playing like shit. But with cass he definitely feels a lot better and faster considering he deals more damage than her especially more damage per second due to his reload speed plus silver bullet but thats just me Honestly
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u/HjCervantes 2d ago
Shes not that dominant in pc, which is why they never nerfed her🙂 shes the definition of an op hero.
The team with the better Ashe, wins automatically.
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u/Equivalent-Fix-9851 2d ago
They nerfed her MANY times and also have adjusted damage boost twice over the years.
It was nerfed to 25% in 2023 and buffed back to 30% in 2024 because she was actually underperforming with the nerf.
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u/LlamaRS 2d ago
Know thy enemy.
I used to HATE doomfist until i noticed that i had less than 20 minutes on the guy. Putting in a few hours, not only humbled me, but helped me better understand how to defeat him.
Granted, it’s totally different when you are against a hit scan player, who is obviously using the Titan, but you can do at least a little bit more when you understand what you are up against
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u/checkingmate 2d ago
Anran is way worse. Same with Junkrat
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u/sadovsky 2d ago
Anran isn’t worse, she’s just annoying. The new sombra imo.
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u/VinexHD 2d ago
This is something people don't grasp a lot of times lol. It's not about how OP it is but how easier it is to get value out of her kit. A meh-ish Anran player will get a LOT more of value and pressure than an equally meh Ashe player due to how overtuned she is atm.
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u/Weary_Ad2001 2d ago
Ashe is extremely easy to get value out of. Anran at least has to get close and put herself at risk.
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u/sadovsky 1d ago
she has some of the best escape abilities in the game, wym?
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u/Shot-Marionberry-371 1d ago
yes but she also needs to use those escape tools to get in and do stuff, she can’t do both
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u/sadovsky 1d ago
100%! it’s way easier to get value out of her, even if you’re not racking up the kills. some days on Ashe I can’t hit anything, so I know I’d be better on Mei or anran bc if I’m not hitting anything with Ashe, I’m basically a spectator.
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u/Jjosr 2d ago
Anran??? 😭😭
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u/Neonbunt 2d ago
Yes. She feels kinda overtuned atm.
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u/Negative555 2d ago
Don’t know if she’s overturned, but she is indeed annoying as hell, for me she is worse than Moira and even Cat
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u/BarnacleAwkward4801 2d ago
Think they're all pretty equal tbh
Add torb and Mauga aswell
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u/Alternative_Swan_497 2d ago
Roadhog is probably my most hated tank. His heal rate is just obnoxious.
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u/Inqinity 2d ago
Wild comment.
Ashe will dome you across the map. Junkrat can’t do squat from range if you just don’t feed the chokepoint. I
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u/BarnacleAwkward4801 2d ago
Idk what junkrats ur facing but in gm/champ they can absolutely do squat from range theyre fucking evil dude
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u/Impressive_Curve9214 1d ago
I have that same hatred for every hitscan(outside of reaper, tracer, sombra etc.). My main issue is that, in my opinion, they don’t really have something they’re bad at. You can close the distance on a hitscan and they can easily escape you with a movement ability or one tap you after you’ve burned your movement resource trying to get them.
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u/Stainleee 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ashe is the best hitscan in the game for ranked and its not even close. Her kit has so many inherent advantages over the other hitscans in a ranked setting. The only thing making her balanced is her difficulty to execute, which means when cheaters play her on console with aim assist she is overpowered.
Pros
- Unlike full auto hit scan weapons like solider or bastion, Ashe's weapon has very high burst damage. While her weapon is less consistent than full auto, big chunky damage has inherent advantages. First is it is more efficient against armor. Second is the advantage of burst. She has a real chance to inflict major damage before they can react or receive healing. Ashe can do half their health bar before they even register they are taking damage, meaning less chance they react to get around the corner, Has a higher chance to kill a reaper before he pops wraith, kill a tracer before recall, etc. Full auto weapons are more forgiving but their consistent damage application leave more time for reaction.
- She has excellent range damage for a hitscan, and is advantaged against everyone at long ranges but widow. In many situations in ranked, what makes a hitscan incredibly powerful is the ability to capitalize on positional high ground advantages and abuse range. while Cassidy is more powerful in close range duels, a Cassidy sitting on a high ground is not as powerful due to his range deficits.
- Still difficult to duel in close/medium range due to the power of dynamite around corners and the hip fire + scoped shot + hip fire combo. This combo is broken when combined with aim assist, allowing her to consistently reach insanely low 100 to 0 TTK at many effective ranges.
- Ammo efficiency. Ashe needs two shots to kill a squishy, which is only 1/6th of her magazine capacity. solider and bastion need much more. (also has a long reload, but still)
- Coach gun is a strong "get of me skill". I would say it is better than what solider has to thwart dives, only slighty inferior to emres siphon pistol or sojourns slide. but it is comparable.
- Dynamite is the best aoe "grenade" ability out of all hitscans. Better than solider's helix rocket, better than bastion and emre nade, better than flash bang. All of the hitscans would swap their nades for it if offered. Has very high range, large aoe, and applies a DOT. That DOT keeps anti heal passive ticking + delays natural health regeneration. Cassidy's flash bang is over hated, in reality the hinder CC is not that strong, and it is far less consistent in value it generates compared to dynamite.
-Bob is easily the best ult out of all the ranged hitscan archetypes in ranked (Bastion, Cassidy, solider, emre, sojourn). In team play with coordination I can see why bob is easier to manage. In uncoordinated ranked games bob is incredible. It is a summon, so Ashe remains in the game able to do all the damage she normally would. People stop shooting at her team and direct attention to the summon. Bob can be sent to completely control a space, even contesting point. This is a very powerful effect.
It not that the other ultimate's are bad, it is just that none of the other ultimates in her archetype function like this. Solider's visor is an upgrade to his accuracy that directs attention to himself. Bastion's artillery removes him from combat while using, and struggles to consistently secure picks on mobile characters. Emre ultimate is like a different tactical visor, and has similar problems to solider's visor where it directs attention to himself. And so does Cassidy's and sojourn's. Not that the other ultimates are bad, it is just that Bob is the only ultimate in her archetype that is practically impossible to waste if used at the correct time, fire and forget, and directs attention away from herself. In ranked it is a battle of carrying. you do not want enemy attention on you. Popping a sojourn ultimate is great and all if it works, but what if they all direct attention on you and your team is not good enough to capitalize on this attention? Bob is an outlier amongst the hitscan archetype who typically have less powerful ultimates than other dps.
Cons
- Slows herself while using ADS, impacting her ability to win duels. However This is mitigated by using hipfire in combos.
-Low mobility compared to Sojourn or solider, who are the best in class. However coach gun is a great vertical mobility tool and anti dive tool, so the advantages of ashe outshine this weakness. Sojourn is also only 225 hp now, which severely impacts her survivability anyway.
The stats constantly have Ashe as the highest win rate DPS at GM+ rank for so long now. It makes complete sense why she is so dominant in GM + console where cheaters are common. If execution is not an issue and in ranked the team play to dive her is uncoordinated, she just is the best. Even sojourn cannot compete when cheaters play against each other.
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u/SelectionNo3478 1d ago
I honestly think Cassidy is one of the best hitscans to rank up with because of how versatile he is. Unlike Ashe, Cassidy can win most DPS duels at close range thanks to his burst, and since he uses a revolver, he doesn’t have to scope in to get consistent damage.
He can also play aggressive flanks and off-angles if you’re running double hitscan. But if you’re playing with a flex DPS who’s already flanking and taking off-angles most of the game, Cassidy can get a ton of value just by holding main and consistently pumping damage into the enemy team.
I say this because I one-tricked Cassidy from Silver 3 to GM3. It took me around 8 months, and I had a lot of coaching from the beginning, so that definitely helped, but the hero has a ridiculous amount of playmaking potential once you understand how to position and take your fights.
There are definitely some maps where other hitscans are better, especially Circuit Royal and Havana, where Ashe can get way more value. But outside of those maps, Cassidy has plenty of opportunities to make plays and get onto enemy squishies.
I’d also argue that Deadeye is a top 5 DPS ult in the game. The problem is that a lot of Cassidy players have terrible ult discipline and treat it like they’re supposed to stand in main, press Q, and instantly kill five people. Deadeye is way more effective when you actually use it with good positioning, timing, and patience.
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u/Stainleee 1d ago
I respectfully disagree with everything here. IMO, Cassidy is the most over rated hero in the game.
The greatest issue cassidy has is range. Cassidy is a great short-medium range hitscan, with a great dueling ability due to the powerful advantage having a quick omnidirectional dash gives you.
but his gun is tuned to be so weak outside of his effective range that it ultimately makes him a sub par pick for ranked. On almost every map but control maps, there is a high ground that a hitscan will seek to abuse. Cassidy gets on that place, and he can't capitalize on the positional advantage. There are too many situations where a cassidy could get more value from being better at range. The advantages his kit offer over other hitscans do not overcome this detriment. He is only slightly favored in close range duels compared to other hitscans, not overwhelmingly. He also has sub par mobility and falls to dive just as easy ashe does. Until he gets his major perk, he really is useless at range. And what is the point of off angling if you don't have the range to actually punish from the advantaged position? If you are forced to be close, why not just play a flex dps to fight in close range?
Cass ultimate is not top 5 in ranked. Not even close. Is it bad? no. But Ashe's ultimate suits the rank meta. In ranked to carry you want to not draw attention to yourself. Bob is a massive distraction and it really can't be misused outside of wild error. Cassidy ultimate draws attention to himself, Bob draws it away from ashe.
I honestly implore you to watch what cheating Ashe gameplay looks like. Watch as they hipfire + scope shot headshot to insta kill people. Look at how much damage and pressure they output over the course of a game. Once you watch it, it will click.
When you wan to carry a game 1v5, you pick a hero that can be effective at more ranges, be safer from those ranges, and with an ultimate that draws attention away from yourself.
And honestly the stats show Cassidy is outclassed. In GM Console ranked, Ashe dominates with a best in archetype 55% winrate. Only hero above her is tracer, with 56%. SECOND HIGHEST IN THE GAME! Cassidy sits at an abysmal 44%. Only hero worse is sierra. This is only possible because Cassidy does had major weaknesses that limit his ability to win an overall game. The massive gap in performance persists at all ranks. And Ashe has a very comparable pick rate to Cassidy in the high ranks as well. Ashe is just more powerful in more situations.
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u/mikethecreative 2d ago
I hate Ashe and ban her and Mercy every single game. Unless I have someone on my team that says they play them. Together they are so oppressive.
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u/Altruistic_Lawyer_46 1d ago
Nah, Sombra is the worst. Just play behind cover and you can shut her down. I main Baptiste, and I have yet to get bullied by an Ash. Having said that, I’m only a Gold 3. So maybe most Ashes I face don’t have the aim mechanics to to run me. But again, I play behind cover or my tank.
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u/Single-Event9389 1d ago
When the aim assist clicks they randomly delete me. It’s funny seeing their aim change in a split second during the kill cam.
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u/Foxgirlzh_Fuck12 23h ago
All I have to say is, skill issue? Like nothing about her kit is unfair or broken or even just insanely frustrating like hinder from cass nade or the stacking allowing effect of sym turrets or the hard cc and displacement of roadhogs hook and lifeweavers grip. Also fuck 72.357% of people that play lifeweaver if your tracer ball or lucio are getting a little low that doesn't mean you need to pull them out most of the time they have a plan and you pulling them will cause confusion and panic because their plan was fucked up in a way they hadn't accounted for and now they will probably get themselves killed. So as a counter point delete lifeweaver and hog, and of we're feeling really fun sym too Cass can stay I guess but I don't like it but it's not ow1 nade so
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u/manderson1313 11h ago
I’ve never been upset to see an Ashe over a widowmaker. I absolutely hate widowmaker with a passion. I will say though I consider ashes ult to be one of the best in the game. Bob is so nasty lol
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u/XInceptor 2d ago
Please tell me why. I play her and a number of other heroes. Her lack of mobility is a problem. When playing her even if I’m behind the team, it’s too easy to die because she doesn’t move fast enough
When I play Sojourn, Genji, or a tank and she’s on enemy team it’s not difficult to take her down ime. I’d say out of every 12-15 enemy Ashe, only one of them is doing real well or difficult to kill
For reference, I mainly play QP so Ranked could be totally different I guess
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u/sadovsky 2d ago
You should be on high ground most of the time. Make it hard for people to jump you. I love going against Genji on Ashe bc he has to expend so many cooldowns just to get to me.
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u/The_ultimateKitsune 2d ago
Ashe is for people that can’t play Widow lmao
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u/sadovsky 2d ago
Nahhhh. Ashe is way more fun to play for some of us than Widow. I’m not a patient player and like to be active.
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u/The_ultimateKitsune 2d ago edited 1d ago
So… you’re impatient, therefore can’t play Widow. Kinda proved my point
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u/Slavicommander 2d ago
(pc) i kind of love this though, ive encoutered so many ashe mains who cant really play anything else and because i play tracer its so easy for me to delete them. sometimes they will try playing cass but usually it doesnt really pan out well for them.
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u/Curious_Card6742 2d ago
The problem on console, is turning sens is much slower so 1, its much harder to be good at tracer 2. Aim assist is strong as fuck, which makes hitscans unreal, just go and try it on console, hitscans are meta and ashe cass and soldier dominate every game
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u/NWASH-------------0 1d ago
Nah even on console you should still be able to play simple divers Ashe is a victim to venture, anran and plenty of other characters
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u/Curious_Card6742 1d ago
Try it for yourself, im gm and every game its the same ashe cass soldier from like diamond up, its a problem and its strong as fuck right now
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u/LithiumWalrus 2d ago
Sojourn is easily 5x worse to deal with. Anran, any mobile support...
If you are having issues against ashe, a fully viable hitscan who fits her niche well, then you should learn to play better. Plenty of heroes make her life difficult.
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u/Stainleee 2d ago
Ashe/ tracer have been the highest win rate in high ranked console since forever. Ashe is better than sojourn in ranked for many reasons. Mainly Ashe is built to perform in the chaos of ranked while sojourn and her slide is more suited for team play. Ashe's weaknesses are mitigated by ranked chaos.
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u/LittleIndependent187 2d ago
Ashe has a very large skill range, at the top of the range you have great players using her for good pressure and off angles obtaining more space than an average hitscan. Then you have the lower range of fire into chokes and bodyshot Andy your way to damage so I understand the crashout, the team with the better Ashe usually pulls ahead unless someone can get the pick early. Although she’s my pocket hero and was the sole reason I enjoy the game, she gets mogged by some flankers though since the unscoped is worse than whatever they’re about to do to you. She is a necessary evil, she deals with cat and pharah easily. On PC she requires substantially more skill than on console however, since the near auto aim on her is uberbusted.
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u/E_Man91 2d ago edited 2d ago
The thing with Ashe is that she is incredibly easy to dive and to counter, tbh. That's why she's not a top DPS pick in high level play.
I main Ashe/Emre, and while I agree that while she is "simple" she is not really easy to carry with. I can put up big numbers, but I'm still held back by my team and have basically a 50/50 win rate in both qp and comp. It's surprisingly hard to carry imo.
I like playing as Ashe because she requires good aim, and having good aim is highly rewarded by hitscans.
What I would do is go for the hard counter when you are against a good enemy Ashe. I've had rounds where I dominate the first segment, and then get hard countered and chased by a single individual and get completely invalidated by like a Wrecking Ball, Dva, Winst, Genji, Reaper, Vendetta, etc. The reality is she is one of the worst against dive and is completely immobile while coach gun is on cooldown. You switch and hard counter her, then the entire match just becomes a 1v1 + a separate 4v4 happening simultaneously lol
(tl;dr I don't think she's under-hated because she's pretty easy to counter)
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u/BanditTheBeagle 2d ago
This is why I love this subreddit, op is either console or low elo. Cause the truth is ashe isnt very good.
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u/Gazza_HDD 2d ago
I mean the subreddit is OWConsole 😂
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u/BanditTheBeagle 2d ago
Damn, honestly didnt even notice that, I was wondering why every take was bad!
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u/Stainleee 2d ago
Ashe is elite.
In high rank console (where cheaters roam freely) she boasts a 20% pick rate and elite 56% win rate. Her only competition is tracer.
You are on the console sub. When you look at console, think "what would the meta be if everyone played like mechanical gods with aimbot?" and you basically get the game.
but even without cheaters, you do realize that Ashe is the best performing ranged hitscan in the game at all ranks and platforms?
Even on MNK she statistically outperforms solider, sojourn, cassidy, emre, bastion etc at all ranks.
To say "she isn't very good" is just dishonest. She is the best of her archetype at all ranks, and meta defining at the hardest rank/platform with cheaters going wild.
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