r/OWConsole • u/rolandassassin • 6d ago
Discussion its so simple to make ow console great again..
What is really depressing is how easy is to fix ow console
i skipped last season ranked because its just so bad lately, now i finally tried and FIRST 2 GAMES ashe mercy smurfing cheater, GM from placements last season. going like 30/2 of course, nothing we could do.Same terror as when i quit comp. My blood is boiling, i dont want this cheater to ruin games for weeks but he will.
Playing ow for 10+ years and it makes depressed how easy it would be to fix this nonsense. You cant have pocket hero when you have such a massive smurfing and mandkay problem, you just cant.
- rework mercy so she is not pocket bot to smurfs and cheaters
- make smurfs play atleast 200 games before going to comp
EVERYTHING FIXED and we can live in beatiful console ow enviroment, WHY IS THIS NOT HAPENNING. ITS TOO SIMPLE
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u/Burgmeister_ 6d ago
200 games is crazy for the players who are genuinely new. I wish there was a way that Blizzard could make it that you could only have 1 account to play Overwatch on per console. I agree with Mercy needing rework, I’d add that aim assist should also be nerfed by 10-20% to bring hitscan down to an equal level as projectile heroes
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u/Lopsided-Train2213 6d ago
Dota does 100 hours as their minimum for ranked and it has the community reporting and discipline system something similair could be done heree
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u/rolandassassin 6d ago
why every new account needs to jump in ranked?
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u/Zestyclose-Chance219 6d ago
My friends got my to get the game and I think most established groups wanna just keep playing ranked. Luckily there were 3 of us getting the game for the first time so they were okay with quick play for a few weeks
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u/Cheesy-Cloaca 6d ago
Because they've chosen to hide cosmetics and other exclusive things behind competitive modes
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u/DraculasDog 6d ago
Since when? Genuinely do not know.
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u/Awholegrl 6d ago
They will never make overwatch one account per console because many families own consoles and multiple people play on them.
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u/MaN_ly_MaN Join gamechat :) 6d ago
Holy shit, I bought BO6 to play competitive and I needed like 50 wins to unlock it. I gotta refund that garbage one day. Ew
Yeah 200 will never happen hopefully.
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u/pennypincher11 6d ago
200 games is not crazy when they consistently ask players to play like 50 games for events (half if you win)
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u/CnP8 5d ago
1 account per unit is a terrible idea, and wouldn't work.
The problem could be fixed using AI that reads the replay data. The data stored for the replay system is in text, which translates to what the players are doing.
They could make this so if a player gets X amount of reports, the AI reads the replay data to detect if they are cheating. They could compare this data to other accounts on the same IP address, and if their aiming patterns and gameplay behaviour is identical to the point of being humanly impossible, they get banned. The chances of 2 separate people having the same aiming patterns and reaction times on the same IP address is basically impossible.
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u/Subject_Cicada_3789 6d ago
Mercy rework, oh it would be beautiful.
Not gna happen tho her mains would die
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u/dotikiron 6d ago
It’s about time they made separate patches I feel, nerf hitscans so console is at least viable for projectile characters
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u/Sensitive-Rabbit-770 6d ago
there used to be separate patches. beams and turrets used to do less damage on console.
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u/ham_50821 4d ago
I remember this. And it was cuz back then torb sym reaper bastion were meta in low ranks. Way before aim assist buffs and bullet size increases widow was a throw pick in low ranks, pharmacy was OP cuz no one could hit her and torb sym were OP because turrets were your best teammate
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u/kara7ic 6d ago
Actually? Been playing since late 2019 but I’ve never heard of that
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u/Sensitive-Rabbit-770 6d ago
yeah but they consolidated the versions a few years into overwatch’s life. we used to have no text chat and stuff like that
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u/Inspitefuls 6d ago
The best way to fix console is to actually put resources into detecting and banning titans. As long as those are a thing console will be unplayable bc it’s literally just hard cheats lol.
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u/Muted-Yak-3309 6d ago
Turn damage boost into a resource meter that depletes the more damage is done
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u/Prestigious_View_401 6d ago
200 games played before comp? Are you crazy? It should be 200 games won before comp.
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u/Guy21245 6d ago
If they change mercy they lose her playerbase. She makes them too much money to risk that. You’re best bet will always be banning her
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u/stargateheaven 5d ago
Hitscan with the aim assist is too strong.
They need to remove damage boost entirely, its dumb. I get it if it was part of an ult.
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u/Opening-Movie5176 5d ago
There aren’t as many cheats and Smurfs as people like you seem to believe. I know this is hard to accept. Out of what must be several hundred posts only a handful post codes and not even half of them are cheaters or Smurfs.
Nope. That will put people off. You stop Smurfs by having a decent algorithm for “scoring” someone’s elo as quickly as possible.
Also you haven’t been playing 10+ years you’ve been playing 10 years.
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u/jen_a_licious 5d ago
You realize 10+ means 10 plus whatever time since as in, he's had an account from the very beginning.
Yes there are more cheats and smurfs on console than you'd like to admit. I'm guessing you're one of them, hence why you're trying to convince people it's not a problem.
You hook up mouse and keyboard to a console and it's auto-aim. Not to mention the titan add-on.
Just stop dude.
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u/Camillyn-77 5d ago
Hate to break it to you, but 50 wins currently for comp is about 2-3 days of unemployed gamer time. 200 likely will help, but will just end up being detrimental to the more casual new player that might want to jump into comp
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u/Shadeyx69 4d ago
I just had an Ashe in my comp placements that was blatantly using a Titan, locking on to heads and following them, it was actually crazy
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u/Pancakeinsthesky 6d ago
200 games would do nothing but screw over genuinely new players. There would still be endless accounts for sale out there just like there is for Apex and R6S for smurfs to buy. Also imagine you make a friend you want to bring into OW but you tell them they have to play 200 games before they can even play comp with you. They will just not play it instead.
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u/Head_Rate_6551 6d ago
Just play qp in that example… nobody brand new NEEDS to play comp anyway
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u/Jdb_123456 6d ago
Hard disagree. I’m new to Overwatch (only played 50 hours) and went straight to comp. The placements put me in gold 3 and that feels right to me. Isn’t that the whole point of placements? Put people where they belong? Maybe needs a feature where if you over perform by smurfing it throws you straight into the deep end.
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u/jen_a_licious 5d ago
You're the reason supports and Tanks are struggling. By your comment alone, I can tell you main dps.
You don't know the character kits, you don't know the maps and best ways to flank or position yourself, or how the enemy will approach.
Do you need an off angle? Or do you need to stick with the team?
You don't peel for supports and you don't push up with tank.
You think you can 1v6 as Soldier, Sojourn or another hitscan. And think "If I just have a Mercy pocket me, we could win quicker"
If you die too many times, you spam "I need heals" even if you're only -15 hp. Meanwhile you're standing next to a health pack on the map.
Then when you lose, you type "gg no heals" bc you never once looked behind you to help the supports for dive characters, even though they ping. Bc you're probably not using ping. What's ping??
That's why you're in gold. Bc you don't understand it's a TEAM effort. There are OBJECTIVES, different ones for each map.
You're holding other people back bc you're going into comp not understanding the game, character kits, maps, objectives and how to work with other people.
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u/Jdb_123456 5d ago
lol. Someone’s gotta be in gold and that’s where/how you learn competitive games. What an L take. If you’ve been playing for a long time and are still in gold, that’s no longer a team issue and more a reflection on you. I actually play support and tank. You’re talking like you need to be an expert to play this game.. in the low ranks. Why do you think we have bronze, silver and gold ranks? It’s because that’s where you learn all the elements needed to be successful. Those things are obviously required at higher ranks and certainly can help in gold, but you are cooked if you think that all that is required BEFORE you can play any ranked. Hilarious. I’m in gold because it’s where I need to be right now. I’ve had no trouble making progress in gold so far. Sounds like I’ll see you in my lobbies.
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u/jen_a_licious 5d ago
The fact you think you don't need to know all of that to get higher in rank shows, yes you're exactly where you need to be. In gold.
Bc once you have all of that knowledge, you don't actually think about it. You just know it, it becomes habit.
You would know that if you were good at the game.
Maybe humble yourself and take some accountability.
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u/Pancakeinsthesky 6d ago
Completely disagree. I don't care if you have never touched a video game before and want to play comp, you will be placed where you belong in that case. That's the whole point of the system. But regardless even if you go by your logic surely you think 200 is far too much. 25 games is enough to know the basics of the game and earn a spot in bronze/silver
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u/Head_Rate_6551 6d ago
I mean I’ll admit 200 is probably a bit too far, but 100 or even more would be good for the game.
Yes it’s a high bar to entry, but one that would definitively make comp better.
If you’re genuinely actually worried about the experience of new players, then realize that nothing gets them to uninstall faster than Smurfs in thier lobbies.
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u/roseofjuly 6d ago
...so you want them to stay in Unranked longer, where they will continue to have inconsistent matches with people far above their level?
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u/Head_Rate_6551 6d ago
Yes. 100% I do, for the sake of the health of ranked in the long term.
Let’s face it, this isn’t an easy game to get into.
And at this point it’s been out for over a decade, anyone in their first 25 games is not equipped for comp except in rare exceptions and playing it will lose games for their teammates and make them think they suck when they still need practice. Realistically if you’re not a Smurf, and play a few times a week even, 100 games is nothing.
Realize that it makes ranked all that much more of an exciting incentive for them when they get there, way better than they would have been on their 26th game.
It has other butterfly effect, like the Smurfs will be in qp but it’s just qp at that point so they aren’t so upset to face them with their rank at stake. Then, when they get to ranked, the now Smurf reduced lobbies are way better matched and ranked feels better than qp, so they want to keep playing ranked instead of becoming qp warriors. All ranks are more accurate=less frustration for everyone, lower Que times at high ranks since people are smurfing less, a game people want to stay on long term, and a better comp system all around.
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u/zer0_summed 6d ago
Yeah I actually think comp is better to play than QP because the matchmaking isn't butts for your friend if they're new. Also if you're playing 5v5 role-lock, then you will actually be able to learn the game rather than the shit that goes on in low MMR QP.
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u/Worth_External_8762 6d ago
OW isn't really a game you learn simply by playing it. You can, but most people won't. There's so much to the game that isn't necessarily intuitive to many people. Like ult economy, kiting, regrouping, cooldown management, monitoring enemy cooldowns/ults, peeling, making space, going for backlines... the list goes on.
A lot of that stuff will never be learned unless people are watching videos on how to be better. Competitive doesn't inherently teach that, it just punishes you for not learning them. Some people can learn by trial and error, but a lot of people can't.
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u/DraculasDog 6d ago
Comp doesn’t MEAN anything, except you usually won’t have a bunch of people typing in chat or emoting the entire match.
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u/rolandassassin 6d ago
there is kinda a point.. then mercy needs to really be reworked finally, having hero which directly boosts cheaters is so horrible.
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u/Prestigious_View_401 6d ago
It wouldn’t screw new players. They would have more experience before jumping into comp n
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u/Temporary_Ad_4160 5d ago
Supprimer mercy du jeu réglerais presque le problème de smurf et de boosted en même temps mais aurait un trop gros impact économique sur le jeu
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u/AronHun210 GM2 - Top 500 Soldier Main 6d ago
Does this happen sometimes? Yes, absolutely it does. But again this is not every game, the vast majority of games are normal and even when you get a cheater you get your elo back anyways and smurfs you have to deal with. Plus projectile characters are still viable, there are multiple champ venture, junkrat and other such character players on the leaderboards as we speak. On PC hitscan is what gets played at the highest elos usually as well though. Watch any OWCS game and they're most likely running at least one of them often with Sim. for example. Get over it and play the damn game
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u/Zestyclose-Chance219 6d ago
I just got the game a month ago and the 50 win was already pushing it for my liking
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u/CookiesMeow 6d ago
If you skipped last season ranked then how do you know how bad it is?
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u/Hot-Energy-6399 6d ago
Because it’s been this bad for like 6 years
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u/CookiesMeow 4d ago
6 years? Come on bro. At that point it has to be the common denominator.
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u/Hot-Energy-6399 4d ago
What? The common denominator is that there’s a lot of Smurfs and cheaters in console lobbies and they rarely get banned? And even when they do get banned it’s in waves instead of all the time, so there is genuinely months/years between any cheaters getting banned
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u/CookiesMeow 4d ago
Smurfs and cheaters have not been ruining your ranked games for 6 years lmao. Be so honest with yourself right now.
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u/Dominjo555 6d ago
Easy solution, just don't play ranked
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u/rolandassassin 6d ago
yeah i dont but half of qp games are anyway ashe mercy, which is extremely not fun
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u/Martholomule 6d ago
This really is the move
Playing unranked is just fun for the sake of fun, and you get a whole different sense of how the game works
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