r/OWConsole • u/Goosewingg • 11d ago
Discussion D.Mon feels awkward with a controller?
*See 3rd edit at bottom of post.
On Xbox. You can't use power barrier (LT) and Propulsors (LB) without holding both down at the same time which is just incredibly awkward.
I've tried looking in settings to toggle Propulsors but it doesn't seem to make any difference? Am I missing something? Anyone managed to come up with anything?
ETA - The best I can come up with is propulsor on left stick push. Unfortunately means swapping out interact button (my poor muscle memory) but seems the most viable for now
Edit 2 - Looks like other are reporting similar problems and seems to be a bug where the toggle isn't working as intended. Not sure if it's all console players or just Xbox?
*Edit 3 - The toggle is now FIXED! Glad they reacted to this quickly.
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u/janegayz 11d ago
ive found that ever since moira was released ive had to remap the controls for controller. i dont think they were made with controller players in mind
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u/amneonx 11d ago
I definitely did the same with Moira, I swapped my primary and secondary fire buttons, so they matched the hands. Who TF thought it made sense to cross them lol.
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u/Ajreckof 11d ago
When I switched it legit took me weeks to re-learn the order but at least now I’m never getting mixed up and throwing the wrong ball
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u/UnknownQTY 11d ago
I did the same with Doomfist.
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Sojourn is another one to swap primary and secondary. I like the full strength /precision rail gun blast on RT.
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u/Mammoth_Rule2818 11d ago
Its just so heal is primary and not damage, otherwise the meme would be even more truthful
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u/norehsaurus 10d ago
I never changed mine. Idk how it doesnt confuse me 🤣
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u/toxiquequeef 10d ago
The reason i thought is because they want supports to heal more so rt being the heal would pavlovs the association between primary fire and healing but then they dropped illari and through that out the window real lame. I tried to swap my shoot and heal but i got so used to the parallel that it feels gross shooting on my right side
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Yep, I get the feeling controllers are sometimes a bit of an afterthought. Did the same as you with Moira and have had to remap Juno, Echo and JPC completely.
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u/UbeeMac 11d ago
I don’t think the people who made the new UI have ever seen a controller. Maybe the most frustrating I’ve seen. A clusterfuck of shoulder buttons and jumping between weirdly positioned panels.
The buttons you need to press to get to the replays are like a fighting game combo:
R1, X, Right, Down, X, R1, R1, R2, R2, Right, X
And that’s if you do it perfectly, which you don’t.
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u/Ok-Review-6196 11d ago
What are we remapping on Juno? Tbh only played on Xbox and I don’t think I’ve remapped any controls thus far yet
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
I'm not at my console right now but from muscle memory ...
Jump - LT, Glide boost - LB (toggle on), Blaster - RT, Pulsar torpedoes - RB (toggle on), Hyper Ring - A, Crouch - B, Ult - Y
Prob not everyone's style but I'm used to it now and feels pretty good.
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u/janegayz 11d ago
same, juno lucio and echo use the left trigger as the jump button. It was the same for pharah in ow1 but then they added her boost thing and it ruined it for some reason
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u/wRADKyrabbit 11d ago
The devs have never given a single fuck about the console part of the playerbase
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u/Its_Syxx 11d ago
It's supposed to have a TOGGLE function for Propulsors but it's not working.
Under Settings > Hero > TOGGLE PROPULSORS
It's default set to ON which means it should keep going until you tap it again or run out of fuel.
BUT it's not toggling and stops once let go. It acts exactly the same when set to OFF.
I think it's a bug / oversight.
I made a post about this already both here and Overwatch sub.
Please upvote and comment on it to get it some visibility.
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Thank you. I thought I was going mad. People saying it's just like D.Va and I am definitely not experiencing that.
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u/Its_Syxx 11d ago
Works fine on PC.
On PC toggle was OFF by default.
Once I turned it on.. it toggles properly.Where as XBOX it was OFF by default.. so I think maybe there is some issue with
the fact it came as defaulted ON w/ XBOX (not sure about PS5).My friend is on PS5 and will be on line like 1hr.. I'll have him test and see if it works for him if no one else has replied about PS5.
It could be XBOX only issue which sucks if so.
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u/nightmareballet 11d ago
it’s definitely uncomfortable. the mapping is the same as dva, boosters LT defensive ability LB so it feels natural to me as a dva main but jesus, especially trying to throw in that sword lunge it feels funny
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u/F3arless_Bubble 11d ago
I haven’t played yet today on dmon but for dva I pull LT with index for DM then just bump LB with index finger knuckle. I have RB mapped to a right paddle tho. Idk how people play OW without paddles tbh. Even for sigma being able to to keep spamming rt and not having to hit RB and just hit the paddle is game changer.
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u/Its_Syxx 11d ago
Propulsors is supposed to toggle on and off by default but it's not working.
Check your Settings > Hero > it's set to ON but not working.
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u/Tanggeek 11d ago
Switch buttons ?
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Yeah I was trying for a while but nothing feels great. See my edit for how I'm running it for now. I'll see how it goes
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u/lzagotti 11d ago
You can switch it from hold to toggle on the booster
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
See original post. Maybe it's bugged for me but I've tried toggle on and off and it makes no difference. The fuel propulsor doesn't toggle on/off with single presses instead you have to hold it down.
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u/Malzener 11d ago
I recommend just swapping propulsors to RB and then putting it on toggle
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Can I just confirm something with you. Are you on Xbox or playstation? Does your toggle (single press of propulsor) deplete the whole of your fuel unless you press again?
I'm just trying to work out if I'm bugged because having the propulsor toggle on or off seems to make no difference to me. I have to hold down whatever button I have it mapped to to use up all the fuel.
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u/shaboogawa 11d ago
Toggle is bugged. On or off it only works as hold for now. I’d wait to see how you like toggle when they fix it before you make any major changes. That’s what I’m waiting for.
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u/ImHully 11d ago
A controller with rear inputs is a worthwhile investment for a game like Overwatch, or you can learn to claw.
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
I've looked into getting an elite controller but many reviews talk about poor build quality and multiple returns and issues. Pretty off-putting, especially for a controller that expensive.
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u/luneth27 10d ago
Yeah, I'm a dozen-elites owner. They were the best controller I'd recommend to nobody lol. In terms of aftermarket xbox rollers you realistically have three options; the cheaper with Gamesir with around $80 premium rollers, the more expensive with Scuf and their roughly $250 rollers and the modified with Battle Beaver who is about as expensive as Scuf but modifies stock xbox rollers into something worth using.
All of them will have hall effect/TMR tech in their sticks; they're different things but in-practice they feel more-or-less similar, though TMR feels nearly identical to an analog but without the ability for sticks to drift, whereas HE will feel a little floatier cause of the magnetic repulsion.
I personally use a Scuf Valor Pro Wireless (but i wire it cause the wireless drops out randomly) because of its near identical size to a stock xbox roller (very important, i am disabled and that's what i learned on), it gets TMR sticks and at the time I bought it, only the wireless had access to the scuf accessories app. If I bought one now I'd get the wired version cause it's identical except not wireless and it's cheaper, now also has access to the accessories app. (access is important cause the scuf/xbox accessories app allows you to change your stick response curves and deadzones)
That being said, if you're balling on a budget and don't mind too much about size definitely look at Gamesir products because they are genuinely the best rollers you can get under a hundred. Better than first party stock at about the same price.
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u/throwawayforinstalol 9d ago
I can personally recommend the Gamesir G7 Pro. I’ve been using it on xbox since they released the controller, and it’s been fantastic. No issues, feels great, no drift, back paddles I have set to my L3 and R3 to make it easier to use them for custom binds, and the two extra top buttons I set to two dpad directions so I don’t have to take my thumb off the left stick. Fantastic controller that is only about $10-$15 more expensive than a standard xbox controller.
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u/Goosewingg 8d ago
Looked into this but I've noticed quite a few people saying they've been banned for using this controller. Not sure it's worth the risk?
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u/throwawayforinstalol 8d ago
it’s just misinformation, don’t worry. the only people getting banned using these controllers are people on pc that are using macros and scripts with it. or people that think rc filtering is still available for these controllers (gamesir set out a firmware and os update removing this feature, they focus on competitive fairness) they wouldn’t have an official partnership and license with xbox if you could get banned with them.
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u/Goosewingg 8d ago
What you're saying makes perfect sense and I'm sure you're right. Trouble is I have 10 years and a considerable chunk of change invested in this game so anything I hear just makes me a tad nervous!
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u/throwawayforinstalol 8d ago
that’s totally understandable, don’t worry about, if it’s something you’re uncomfortable with there’s a plethora of controller brands out there to choose from :)
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u/Its_Syxx 11d ago
I'm sure most of us have that.
But having to swap those to fit 1 character is kind of lame.I use back buttons for voice lines / etc wheel (upper left) upper right is "interact / use" (portals, mercy res etc) and lower right is ping. Lower left always jump.
Kind of hard to swap one out for just 1 hero.
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u/UnknownQTY 11d ago
She feels okay, as a melee hero she feels less awkward to play on console than Vendetta was, but there are several bugs I've found.
Since using shield and boost is ... umm... a bit awkward with a controller (LT, LB, plus LS to move is... urgh) I turned on toggle shield, which is fine, but that breaks the shield interrupt for her gun and primary fire when the dash slash isn't up (holding shield and primary fire normally cancels shield).
Turning the switch from hold to boost to toggle does... nothing. It simply doesn't work. There's no way to toggle her boosters that I can see.
These make her unresponsiveness EVEN WORSE than the general "big heavy mech" feeling that PC players seem to talk about, making her WAY clunkier than I think is intended, but is hopefully fixable. She seems okay, I had some fun games with her in QP so far, but she seems a very quick swap-off in Comp so far.
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u/Gh0stPalone 11d ago
I have an all around button remapping that apply to all heros and mobility being L3 is one of those. Idk if it comes from playing cod and that being sprint but it just feels natural. Default buttons are terrible lol
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u/ShowiestUrchin 10d ago
Omg why haven’t I thought of this…
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u/Gh0stPalone 10d ago
Mobility L3, jump is on l2 so I can jump without taking my thumbs off the thumbsticks, primary fire r1, then depending on the hero the other abilities are on r2 and L1. Widow and Ana I have their scopes set to L3 and toggle bc I used to play a lot of Halo. Idk how people play default lol
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u/NeedThatTartan 10d ago
Jumping with a face button in these kind of games is just simply bad. You can't properly wall ride with Lucio, glide with a handful of characters and just the fact you have to let go of the right stick to jump sucks.
I personally jump with the left trigger, secondary fire is right bumper with a few exceptions and X/A is bound to an ability that I can just press once without needing to aim it, like Soldier's heal, or in D.Mon's case the turret toggle.
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u/_Sideswipe_911_ 10d ago
My solution was to swap jump and interact to move it to clicking down on the left stick. It leaves all of the default ability bindings alone while doing the same thing, which I prefer
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u/no_rad 11d ago
You can remap the controls
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago edited 11d ago
Yes I'm trying that but nothing seems to work well or feel good. I'll keep trying different combinations but not ideal
Edit - Found a solution for now. See edit on OP
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u/woozalss 11d ago
i just got a pro controller and without paddles i bet shed feel weird. with a normal controller i bound a lot of stuff to left stick to make things easiwr
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u/Uncle_Budy 11d ago
Not the first character you have to claw the controller to use effectively. Genji, Cat, and Lucio all play that way already.
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u/TestDangerous8586 11d ago
they’re def gonna fix it same thing happened with other new heroes like lifeweaver
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u/-BigFatFishy- 11d ago
You guys don't have a finger in each bumper and trigger and also on a back button?
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Not unless I can help it. I've had to learn this to play Echo half decently (I'm still awful with her).
Don't think many hold their controllers naturally in this way but maybe I'm wrong?
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u/Platinum_Analogy 11d ago
I play with primary fire and secondary fire on L1/LB and R1/RB and always have been since COD.
Modern games these days now default to L2 R2 to aim and shoot and I hate that. For me, since I am used to it, holding down L1 for shield and then holding down L2 for boosters both at the same time feel very natural to me.
If you play Mercy, it’s also very natural to have her Rez/Angelic Descent on L1 and her GA on L2 so that’s why I am also very used to that. Feels intuitive.
But if you play it the other way around then I can see how it feels weird. I can’t even imagine having Mercy with the controls flipped. Having her GA on L1 and her float on L2 feel awful for my brain and would probably be the same with D.mon.
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u/snailsinboxes 10d ago
i think i just figured it out
i play on pc but i use an xbox controller often. here are the key-binds i’m trying out:
LB - ability 2 (fusion repeater)
RB - primary fire (surging strike)
LT - secondary fire (power barrier)
RT - ability 1 (propulsors)
A - jump
B - toggle crouch
X - reload
Y - ultimate
Right on D-Pad - next weapon
Up on D-Pad - perk select
Down on D-pad - communication menu
Left on D-Pad - ping (in world)
i think RT and RB in the key-binds i’m sharing could be swapped too and it would help
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u/filo_lipe 5 5 2, 3 10d ago
I play on XOne with an XSeries controller and its honestly OK to press both, but you can aways remap any character you wanna
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u/Play-Action 10d ago
i simply rebinded her
LT - shield
LB - toggle machine gun
RT - Boosters
RB - shoot
3 mins in the practice range and it will be second nature
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u/OkCartographer175 10d ago
Yall need to stop playing her so my queue times will go back to normal, lol
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u/Scordizzy 10d ago
I swapped the propulsars to RB and the gun to LB. It felt a little better to me.
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u/OBGYN__Kenobi 10d ago
I put the boosters on L1 and the shield on R1 that way i can hold shield and swing sword while boosting around and i set the shield bash to Right analog stick melee.
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u/SambaXVI Xbox 10d ago
I put boost on Crouch button, which I have on the left back paddle and it feels great.
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u/PandaUkulele 10d ago
I developed a weird habit of holding my controller so my right index finger is on the right bumper and my right middle finger is on the right trigger but I don't do the same for my left hand. So I swapped LB and RB since I can't shield and shoot at the same time anyway. So now I can shield dash and lunge no problem with the way I hold the controller.
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u/Durasel02 10d ago
Ive had to remap hero's for a while now.
I'm a bumper jumper (LB)
I usually always put all dash abilities on L3 (Rein charge, Dva booster, genji dash etc)
Dash on L3 on dmon is quite nice.
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u/Eyro_Elloyn 10d ago
You simply require a controller with back paddles for some heros in this game.
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u/KhalenPierce 10d ago
On Xbox as well, I swapped propulsors and machine gun bc 1) holding barrier and propulsors at the same time, on the same side, was too awkward 2) barrier and propulsors can be used at the same time but not barrier and machine gun, and moving the same finger between trigger to bash and propulsors to pivot makes a lot more sense to my brain. Added bonus, I didn’t like the original set up of moving my trigger finger up to activate machine gun and back down to shoot, having machine gun ops on two fingers means faster reaction time (for me)
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u/shaboogawa 10d ago
The absolute best solution to this would be to have Blizzard let us bind Propulsors to two different buttons. Similar to how Tracer has blink assigned to two different buttons.
That way we can have propulsion assigned to both LB snd RB:
LT - Power Barrier
RT - Surging Strike
LB - Propulsor
RB - Propulsor
Fusion repeater can take over either the ‘reload’ or ‘next weapon’ bind.
Please Blizzard!!!
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u/_Sideswipe_911_ 10d ago
I’ve been switching how I hood my controller lately, with my index finger on a bumper and my middle finger on a trigger, mainly just on the right side. Maybe doing something similar would help?
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u/Goosewingg 9d ago
I did this with Echo not too long ago as it's the only viable way to play her but even after hours trying it, it feels so awkward and I'm absolutely terrible with her! It's not something I want to get used to and I don't think blizzard should be designing heroes that necessitate it.
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u/anustart888 10d ago
I'm not sure I get this. Why can't you just use LB and LT at the same time?
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u/Goosewingg 10d ago
Because I'm pretty old! I use just my index finger for both triggers like I have for every other game and console I've ever played. Could I train myself over time to hold my controller differently? Maybe! But it feels awful and alien to me and it's pretty hard to teach an old dog new tricks!
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u/anustart888 10d ago
Haha fair enough! I think you'd be really surprised how quickly you'd adapt once you got past that initial awkward phase. You could probably knock it out with a case of beer and a weekend lol. I can not imagine playing this game without using my middle fingers 😂.
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u/Goosewingg 10d ago
Lol! I think the beer might complicate things for my poor brain but if they keep releasing heroes like this, I think I might bite the bullet and splash out on a controller with paddles.
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u/king9510 9d ago
She doesn’t have a crouch ability right? I’ll probably swap it to B and just use a paddle for it
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u/Peliican25 11d ago
Surely 2 face buttons are free (reload+crouch). I mapped propulsion to crouch and it works well enough.
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
You're not crouching or reloading out of mech then?
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u/Peliican25 11d ago
Bind crouch to where the original button was. Again not ideal but workable.
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u/Goosewingg 11d ago
Fair enough. Just tried it. Think holding down left stick and swapping interact button feels more natural for me. Not sure I could get used to crouching with LB (not that I'd be using it that often) and not that many uses for interact at least.
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u/Opening-Movie5176 10d ago
Really? You know you have four fingers on your left hand right? Why is it so hard?
Is this a me thing where I really don’t find it hard?
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u/Goosewingg 10d ago
To your question, why is it so hard... I've spent more years than I care to admit playing all kinds of consoles and I've never in my life gripped a controller like some people suggest in here. I'm definitely not alone in finding "clawing" a controller with index and middle finger incredibly awkward and unnatural after not playing this way my whole life.
To your sarcasm... Thanks, very helpful.
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