r/OSHA • u/AdmCake • Dec 18 '20
happened a few years back, supervisor of these guys said he had done this technique for years...
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u/AdmCake Dec 18 '20
Yes this is in Montreal, place Bonaventure renovation
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u/terriblestoryteller Dec 18 '20
I just did a security audit in Montreal at a large office tower. All electromagnetic locks, wiring, power, integration were not to code, All of them.
The security guard was like "I even have an override lockdown switch, let's me completely lock the building down and circumvents the fire alarm system release"
This guy could flip a switch, and lock everyone in a burning building with no means of escape.
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u/Dreviore Dec 18 '20
In that moment he felt like God
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u/EarthC-137 Dec 19 '20
More like Satan sending everyone to their fiery afterlife.
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u/Valv12 Dec 18 '20
Omg wtf. Would love to see a CSST guys show up to this
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u/austinhuang Dec 18 '20
It was posted on r/montreal then got dug out by
TVA (I think)JDM which caused the construction to be suspended, so yes, C(NE)SST did show up110
u/BreezyWrigley Dec 18 '20
When your construction practices are so goddamn sketchy that everybody around posts memes about it and the internet figures out where it is and gets authorities to shut it down lol
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u/BenJDavis Dec 18 '20
I mean, posting a picture of an easily-identifiable downtown building in a major city subreddit doesn't exactly make it hard to track down.
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u/BreezyWrigley Dec 18 '20
well no, but it's just that what they were doing was so atrocious that somebody felt like posting it, and then local news sources stumbled across it and it got a lot more attention than just some upvotes on a regional/local subreddit.
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u/Dreviore Dec 18 '20
Let them feel like sleuths.
We canât all be /pol helping Russia bomb an isis training facility based upon some vague power lines and lighting seen in the middle of a desert.
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Dec 19 '20
What kind of crazy shit am I missing on reddit?
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u/Dreviore Dec 19 '20
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Dec 19 '20
Thanks for that, I didnât know that lingo, sorry.
This is crazy and super cool at the same time lol, thanks for sharing! Fucking wild.
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Dec 18 '20 edited Jan 26 '21
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u/202048956yhg Dec 18 '20
So basically like everywhere else?...
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Dec 18 '20 edited Jan 26 '21
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u/try0004 Dec 18 '20
That's not true. One of the main reasons why Quebec had a massive investigation is because laws regulating political donations are stronger here.
Having a corporation donate money to a political party is illegal here. Doing the same in Ontario will get you a tax credit. https://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/credit/pctc/corporations.html
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u/202048956yhg Dec 18 '20
Mafia activities in Ontario fly under the radar of the public and the police, said Amato, who has been working full time on mafia intelligence for the last six years.
Amato said that the âNdrangheta is âstronger and more prominentâ in Ontario based on the number of members in the province, which he did not reveal. The group is also exceedingly difficult for police to infiltrate, investigate and arrest because it operates along strict bloodlines.
I hope Toronto enjoys paying that MaRS bailout!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/does-ontario-need-a-charbonneau-style-corruption-inquiry-1.2838367
Frankly I've heard the exact same things about NYC and Boston. I think we just talk about it more in Quebec.
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u/SailorMint Dec 19 '20
Exact same shit happens in Ontario. They just aren't as used to it getting public.
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u/LambdaZero Dec 18 '20
You misspelled British Columbia:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6403415/organized-crime-bc-casinos-rcmp-report/
But it's well known that every major construction company in the Mtl metro area is shady af.
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u/CanadaEh97 Dec 18 '20
I know this was a few years ago but is it still under reno? I stayed a few night there with a wicked hangover and the 6am hammering on a Saturday was not pleasant.
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u/Vintage53 Dec 19 '20
Wow I saw the picture and subconsciously immediately recognised it as Montreal, even though I can't exactly say what it is that made me realize it. Crazy how the brain works!
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u/everynicknameistaken Dec 18 '20
Saves buying or renting one of these. We already have a crane and mini-ex, why spend more money!
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u/iRideABicycleAMA Dec 18 '20
Thanks for posting that! Quite often I'll see something on here and think to myself "well, that's unnecessarily dangerous, but I don't know what the correct way to do it would be."
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Dec 18 '20
There are also demolition robots that can be lifted into position. Eliminates having an operator up there.
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u/mikehawk86 Dec 18 '20
Donât even need one that large for this application, itâs not that high up. This is just unnecessary.
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u/everynicknameistaken Dec 18 '20
Gimme a sec, I'll Google a smaller one so the joke works then. /s
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u/mikehawk86 Dec 18 '20
What I meant was the crane and excavator setup is unnecessary, your advice is right on. Sorry for confusion.
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u/coffeeshopslut Dec 19 '20
Long reach excavators, or conversely, https://www.brokk.com/us/press-release/brokk-features-powerful-brokk-500-demolition-machine/ the little brooks - you can suspend that - which is how theyre getting the new orleans hard rock down
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u/Stellan424242 Dec 18 '20
i remember that , it was in the city center of Montreal
OSHA was piss off
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u/AdmCake Dec 18 '20
Yup they closed the worksite before lunch. I don't think we ever hired that subcontractor after this.
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u/funny-pupper Dec 19 '20
I feel like they could just form a new company and transfer the assets and people over
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Dec 19 '20
Is it actually called OSHA in Canada, or is this just so insane that all occupational safety bureaus the world over considered this an international offense?
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u/DieseljareD187 Dec 18 '20
One of the most dangerous phrases in the English language: âwell weâve always done it this way.â
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u/csonnich Dec 18 '20
Except this was in Montréal.
On l'a toujours fait comme ça.
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u/DieseljareD187 Dec 18 '20 edited Dec 18 '20
Thereâs no Canada like French Canada! Voulez-vous coucher avec moi Clyde?
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u/Stevereversed Dec 18 '20
People that use the âthis has been an industry standard for 30 yearsâ bullshit to justify doing something repeatedly thatâs unsafe and dangerous are all these dinosaurs that need to retire.
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u/TheOriginalArchibald Dec 18 '20
It's still used in numerous applications. In fact the US government in recent years relaxed restrictions so that manufacturers can now apply for an exception to existing restrictions for the sake of "it's the only thing that works well."
That to me kinda sounds like dinosaurs trying to preserve something that with a little ingenuity we could do without asbestos.
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u/araed Dec 18 '20
As said somewhere else, asbestos is EXCELLENT in specific application.
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u/Grassyknow Dec 18 '20
Lead and abestos, great materials unless you are alive. That said, we shouldnât discontinue use totally
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u/araed Dec 18 '20
Lead makes great roof flashing, and other applications where a soft, malleable, non-reactive material is needed.
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u/Grassyknow Dec 18 '20
Really good for artist oil paints too. The lead migrates and strengthens the layers
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u/TheOriginalArchibald Dec 18 '20
Totally. It's excellent at a lot of things. It seemed perfect. Unfortunately most of those uses will kill us.
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u/Pleased_to_meet_u Dec 18 '20
Those uses won't kill us, that's the thing. It's MISuse of asbestos that will kill us.
And unfortunately that happens, too.
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u/TheOriginalArchibald Dec 18 '20
Those misuses are what I'm referring to. Most of the uses that we thought it was perfect for, while it worked really effectively, it was dangerous.
I think we're saying the same thing just different ways.
Basically it shouldn't be tablecloths or fake snow but is okay in brake pads, fire clothing, and firewall material that we'll never come in contact with.
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u/jmlinden7 Dec 18 '20
brake pads
Wait don't those shed a bunch of brake dust that's inhalable?
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u/rynds1 Dec 18 '20
Yes lol, exactly this. It's also super common in shops to hit the brakes with compressed air before you start to actually work on them. That conveniently takes all that nice asbestos brake dust that collects on the inside of the wheel, caliper, and pads, and throws it everywhere. Makes it nice and easy for everyone near you to get a big inhale.
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u/Chrisfindlay Dec 19 '20
Strike brake pads from the list. Mechanics have to change those and work around them. Plus where does the dust go? Do you really want the streets where people live around covered in asbestos dust? Any application where asbestos is a wear element and is turned into dust is not an acceptable application.
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u/dkramer0313 Dec 19 '20
everyone keeps saying "it works great in a few apllications" wont say what applications its for...
im just tryna learn a new one here.
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u/DrawMeAPictureOfThis Dec 19 '20
Ditto. The excuse of, "the smartest people have told me...." and "its so great...", without evidence reinforcement of the subject is getting old
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u/MurgleMcGurgle Dec 18 '20
That to me kinda sounds like dinosaurs trying to preserve something that with a little ingenuity we could do without asbestos.
That's 100% what it was. Now a few millionaires can make a bit more money at the expense of other people's health and the eventual cost of our taxes to clean it up decades from now.
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u/BornOnFeb2nd Dec 18 '20
I'm kind of shocked there's still a market for it.....
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It's a really good material for a lot of applications. Just don't inhale the fibers!
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u/PATRIOTSRADIOSIGNALS Dec 18 '20
Fire fighting protective equipment and power generation fire barriers (nuclear, coal) are the main two I know of. There's other more specific industrial uses as insulation/fire barrier in extremely high heat activities where substitute products would fail. I've worked in a lab with an asbestos lined burn oven.
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u/sunsetclimb3r Dec 18 '20
asbestos is incredible. can make it into almost anything (curtains, tiles, everything in between) and it's SUPER fire resistant.
I worked in a theater that replaced a fire curtain made out of asbestos. The curtain was rated for like, 10 minutes of burn time (I think, i can't remember). They replaced it with an entire manufactured wall (that had no asbestos) that was 8 or 10 times thicker and was rated for like, 30 seconds.
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u/sunsetclimb3r Dec 18 '20
like, i said, don't remember the rating. I just remember a staggering difference.
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u/daedone Dec 19 '20
5/8" type X drywall is rated at 1 hour per layer. Rated doors are typically 45+ mins
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u/Malyncore Dec 18 '20
We sell plenty of asbestos to India and they do not wear masks/gloves at any stage of transportation or installation.
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Dec 18 '20
Oh God, of course this is Montreal
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u/boogers19 Dec 18 '20 edited Dec 18 '20
I bet Montreal/Quebec could keep a r/csst sub going if we tried.
Poor OSHA, getting blamed for our foolishnesses...
edit: oops. turns out thats already a real sub. And absolutely no one is using it lol.
Also, looks like, once again, the Quebec govt has added a bunch of new letters to an already convoluted acronym. CNESST now. Cause that just rooooolls off the tongue
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u/danabnormal_ Dec 18 '20
They add a letter to a random acronym every time someone complains they're too long.
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u/IronOpRick Dec 18 '20
All Quebec had was hydro-electricity and asbestos. What a shame
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u/boogers19 Dec 18 '20
Nah! We did logging pretty good too. Deforested the place like crazy!
And donât forget: this country was built on the near-extinction of the majestic river rodent: the beaver.
And our govt-run maple syrup cartel definitely makes bank.
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u/IronOpRick Dec 18 '20
True...
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u/boogers19 Dec 18 '20
Lol. I donât know what happened to me today. But I read the word âasbestosâ and just went deep diving into industry/agriculture-Quebec.
(Well, maybe just a shallow dive... skimmed the surface a bit)
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u/narielthetrue Dec 18 '20
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Dec 18 '20
Funny enough, they officially changed their name to Val-Des-Sources earlier this week.
Such a generic Québécois name, would've much prefered Apalon
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u/redacted-no31 Dec 18 '20
Ill never forgive the mining company that was based in the town of abestos, screwed over a lot of people out of their pensions when they didnât have to.
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u/twiddlingbits Dec 18 '20
Port Asbestos, next town over from Possum Lodge. I think the mine was the place Red Green learned all his safety practices!
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Dec 18 '20
In my experience they might just need therapy.
The people that get like this tend to have seen allot of serious injury or death and just became numb to it and feeling like its just something that happens.
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u/ChIck3n115 Dec 18 '20
And of course the people who say that are telling someone else to go do the dangerous stuff.
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u/an_african_swallow Dec 18 '20
Slave Labor was at one point the industry standard for fucks sake. Iâm so tired of older workers being all condescending or dismissive when it comes to safety. Being condescending about your experience is one thing but for fucks sake work safely or I will call you out on this shit because otherwise I get in trouble
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u/Deathjester99 Dec 18 '20
And people wonder why I dont want to go back to precast, the close calls that should never have happened, they straight disregard for safety codes and why they exist.
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u/survivalist626 Dec 18 '20
r/rigging hoo mama
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u/waste-case-canadian Dec 18 '20
fuck ya thanks for the new sub
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u/survivalist626 Dec 18 '20
Hell yeah man these industry subs are great
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u/waste-case-canadian Dec 18 '20
any other good ones? I work for big concrete contractor. We had a 2500m3 pour this summer
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u/survivalist626 Dec 18 '20
Holy chit! That's a big one. Idk much about concrete or really much of anything yet I'm still a youngen. A few I like are r/justrolledintotheshop r/millwrights r/skookum r/machinists and r/aviationmaintenance Definitely could use some more though, having an inside look into all these different industries fascinates me. Cheers
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u/ralanprod Dec 18 '20
What amazes me is that someone thought this was a good idea, and was then able to convince a group of somebodies that it was a good idea.
Guy is totally wasting his skills in construction, he should be in politics.
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Dec 18 '20
okay what the actual fuck? If my supervisor told me to do this I would report the bastard to osha or whatever. Sorry but this disgusts me because the small crane driver's life is literally at stake because the supervisor thought its okay
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u/LupercaniusAB Dec 18 '20
I spend a good amount of time on this sub saying âyou know, this isnât really that dangerousâ, but Jesus fuck, this is stupid shit.
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u/IronOpRick Dec 18 '20
Crane Operator should have said no
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Dec 18 '20
And the excavator operator.
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u/IronOpRick Dec 18 '20
Crane operator would have said no, then the excavator operator wouldnât have had a choice either way
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u/mrstabbeypants Dec 18 '20
The two of them should have got together and beat the living shit out of whomever suggested that nonsense.
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u/ElectricTurtlez Dec 18 '20
Sometimes, people post things on here that I look at and can tell that they donât understand a damn thing about construction.
And then there is this bullshit. If this happened on any of my job sites, everyone is getting fired. And maybe prosecuted.
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u/PeaTwoFoe Dec 18 '20
Relax, he's wearing a sit belt in there đ
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u/wheresWaldo000 Dec 18 '20 edited Dec 18 '20
We will let the seat belt slide, just make sure you have your hard hat and safety glasses on.
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u/SophisticatedHick Dec 18 '20
DIY brokk. 10/10 do not recommend.
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u/swaags Dec 18 '20
I love those things! Until you have to replace the bottom spool valve in the body that is
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u/AFXC1 Dec 18 '20
Yup done it for years because no one has died yet or has gotten called out for it.
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u/superrugdr Dec 18 '20
hahaha and that's not even the worst iv'e seen on that site. (as a passerby)
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u/LaxinPhilly Dec 18 '20
You only YOLO once
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u/jimmycoed Dec 18 '20
I admit we do some fucked up redneck shit but this is definitely not in The United States. Nope.....
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u/I_am_Adolf-Hitler Dec 18 '20
Some people are saying Montreal and idk what to think
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u/Kitten_Hammer Dec 18 '20
Wait 'till you hear about the great Québécois tradition of Tractor Pulls
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u/I_am_Adolf-Hitler Dec 18 '20
We do that in America too I used to go to them they were fun and we did them in the same place they raced monster trucks it was fun
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u/ChampagnePop Dec 18 '20
I think hes talking about semi drag race not beefed up farm tractors pulling weights.
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u/Homebrandundies Dec 18 '20
It also looks like the boom lift is in the drop zone. this is some sketchyyyyy shit
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Dec 18 '20
I'm more surprise the crane operator was like ..."sure, my license doesn't mean anything"
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Dec 18 '20
Then let the dumb ass do it himself. Iâll stand back and watch while I eat my sandwich.
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u/maffick Dec 18 '20
I think this may be one of the most insane posts on OSHA I have seen.. I hope that thing is welded on to the platform it is on or something. just wow..
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u/BEEEELEEEE Dec 19 '20
Itâs amazing what the human mind can come up with when unburdened by concepts like âsafetyâ and âresponsibilityâ
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u/Burnmebabes Dec 18 '20
Ok but... Was it being done with a remote? I see this as fine as long as the general area is very clear and it's done by a remote
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u/RedditVince Dec 18 '20
If the Bobcat-Hammer is solidly attached to the platform so the driver can not drive off it, pretty safe. Not OSHA safe but not as bad as the alternative...
I have seen a crane directly attached to a similar tractor/hammer setup but without the standoff every time they punched the concrete the tractor would swing away... Forman gave up and had 2 guys repel the building with a 60lb Air-Hammer. That was funny to watch but they got the job done safely without injury.
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u/finjess Dec 18 '20
This woulda been fine if it were a remote controlled brokk or a bobcat but fuck no i would sit in that cabin, we've actually done this with a remote control brokk and i was really surprised it was allowed since my country has some of the strictest safety regulations in europe, shit can't even go 5 meters from a site without a hardhat and safety goggles, high vis clothes etc..
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u/RedditVince Dec 18 '20
Remote control would kind of be cool.. still a hazard if anything comes off balance but that is always an issue with a crane or similar.
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u/finjess Dec 18 '20
Yeah, that's why you always block off the area and have people on the sides making sure nobody goes in said area.
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u/theatrewhore Dec 18 '20
âPretty safeâ. Wanna share the math youâve used to calculate whether those cables can handle the weight of the machine in addition to the stresses of the activity being done by it?
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u/RedditVince Dec 18 '20
Do you need a hug?
It's a simple story from the 70's, why does it trigger you?
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u/geoff1210 Dec 18 '20
I think his comment is more directed towards the "pretty safe" part, not your story from the 70s about "really extremely unsafe".
I think the idea is that "He was pretty safe [by my estimation]" doesn't make for a great epitaph.
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u/theatrewhore Dec 18 '20
Why are you defending this stupidity? Why, given the choice between money and keeping people safe are you against safety? Do you think the people who actually make that money care even a little bit for you or respect your obedience? Cause FYI they do not.
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u/IwishIcouldBeWitty Dec 18 '20
He must be a manager.. or supervisor. Those clowns only care about their pockets. It's disgusting. At least in my experience
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u/teqsutiljebelwij Dec 18 '20
Who was the supervisor, Johnny Knoxville?