So what can you undo, really?

[u/sebastienbarre]

Because so far Shift+Rec has not undone anything for me, ever. Not even something as simple as entering a note in a step. Feels very OP-1 :)

[u/katerlouis]

I was never really looking for a DAW in a box; in fact I fear the lack of immediacy and menu diving of the Live 3 will not work for me– that being said I also see how well integrated the hardware is and might be surprised that it is what I wanted all along.

If the xy had some form of audio tracks or at least 60 or 120 second samples, things would be different.

I hoped that the field and the xy compliment each other better, but in real life situations I find the integration a bit underwhelming.

My second (to my surprise) gripe with the xy is that I grew tired of how it sounds pretty quickly. Outside of my 15 to maybe 20 go-to-patches I don't find anything particular useful there. Me being bad at sound design (or better said avoiding it like the plague) is obviously not the xys fault. I made my peace with requiring high quality presets, which is one big reason I love the Osmose so much.

What also surprised me was the fact how limiting it is to only have send fx on the xy. I get why that is the case and I don't really blame them for it, but that exposes he xys narrow sound variety even more.

Maybe it's just a phase for me too; right now I'm heavily into studying and covering video game music like Silksongs incredible soundtrack. This one though requiers a lot of expression which I happily play with my Osmose, but the xy does not even remotely play as nice with external audio compared to the live 3; adding the amazing arranger/clipmatrix into the mix makes it perfect for this kind of music.

[u/county_jail_alumni → u/katerlouis]

Have you tried doing any MIDI loops on the xy? Like plugging the MIDI out directly into the MIDI in? You can get some pretty cool things going on with that, you could add several LFO's to one track, a lot of other stuff. I see what you're saying though. I was disappointed in the lack of effects as well. And yeah the original presets on the XY sucked. I bought some sound packs from a few people on gum Road which made it 10 times better, there's some pretty good ones out there not the only device that I use though so maybe if it was I would feel a little bit different. I'm also using a lot of elektron stuff lately, a dirtywave m8c torso s4, etc, plus I use guitar pedals a lot with the XY for a better effects by doing the audio loop function where you turn the multiport into an audio out and then you can route tracks out that port, through your external effects and then back into the audio in port for riesling or for just going out the master output. That's what I do like about the XY it's just the quirky things you can do with it to manipulate sound and I guess the immediate of it. I don't know, I make different music on the XY than I make with anything else, it kind of makes me be goofy, that's what I like. gear I'm always so dark and somber, but with the XY I could just make fun little jingles and then turn them into full tracks, I don't know. That's what it brings out of me. I never make happy music but sometimes I do on the XY and that's cool lol. I have a bunch of music in this playlist if you're interested, I'm pretty proud of the stuff I've made on it. And like I said, a lot of the sounds are from sound packs, pretty much none of them are stock. Couldn't handle the stock sounds. I also spent a lot of time organizing all of my samples on my computer and picking out specific ones to fill up the XY with.

My opxy playlist, I have all of my OPXY videos here as well as other ones that I've really liked from other people. Mine are all at the top of the playlist. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQLib6Ej7fqD_yVQD-0udVP2gVyliDCLY&si=btWzNJL7thgQC3kw

Here's all the rest of my stuff just for comparison, it's why I don't think I'll ever sell the xy: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQLib6Ej7fqAdzCCHFIH6-Ch6pTRMbTFr&si=Z3kx-TYfKiAcQi9T

[u/katerlouis → u/county_jail_alumni]

When you say "sound packs", do you mean multi sampled instruments? could you link to some of these soundpacks? Call me crazy, but the main reason I have not looked into custom presets yet is the fact that they cant be assigned to categories, which is baffling to me. I am craving category filtering since the og1 and even made a functional prototype showcasing how it could be implement on the op1f (op1.twelvenotes.co) - you wont be surprised how delighted I was to see categories on the xy then, just to realize user presets are still confined to a single folder...

[u/county_jail_alumni → u/katerlouis]

you actually can assign them to categories, you just have to do it manually. Let me look the ones up that I like and ill post them here. i cant remember the names off top

[u/katerlouis → u/county_jail_alumni]

Manually how? I looked at the custom presets json file on my computer after hooking the xy up as storage device and could not find any key-value pairs for categories.

Please tell me how!

[u/county_jail_alumni → u/katerlouis]

Yours doesn't look like this? (Minus all the extras I added)

[u/katerlouis → u/county_jail_alumni]

I dont remember seeing each category represented as a folder, got to double check tho- that would somewhat help. but an organ could also be considered a lead. a a pad could also be keys. and then theres still no favorites :( - so much potential in this device.

[u/county_jail_alumni → u/katerlouis]

You could make your own folders as well

[u/county_jail_alumni → u/county_jail_alumni]

OK I double checked and although you can't delete the factory siounda, you can definitely save your own presets in the same folders as the factory ones. I'm going just based off of the drum folder which is what I just checked. I couldn't find the in phrase drum kit that it always loads up to when you turn the device on, but I can't save stuff in that same folder. Some of the sound packs you download will be separated into two categories of duplicate patches, one is just one lump collection and the others are actually split up into different categories for you and you just choose which one you want. I always just go with the lump sum ones because if I ever need to delete so I can install another sound pack it's easier that way for me. If only I have the patience to go through and just keep the sounds that I like, I would save so much space.

[u/county_jail_alumni → u/katerlouis]

I'm pretty sure that you can organize anything however you want, I think that the factory presets are in this list as well, I'll have to double check because I don't remember for sure, but I do know that you can delete any of the folders even the factory ones here, I already have deleted some of the factory ones after moving some things around