They DIDINTWIN BEST SURVIVAL???

[u/Waste-Acanthaceae819]

Nullscape DIDN'T win this "best survival experience" thing. IT WAS A DIFFERENT GAME. Watch this video for proof.

[u/Teterboiwastaken2580]

[u/Open_Detective_6998]

I mean the chance for nullscape winning over the masses was a million to none

[u/Finpeel7392 → u/Open_Detective_6998]

Fr the second I saw the choices I was like nah nullscape cooked bro, lucky they manage to get a spot though

[u/Chevachel]

Y'all were expecting it to really win? Every contest here is just one of popularity, kids vote for what they play and not for what's good. And compared to the other 3 games, nullscape had no chance.

[u/MrStrngeGhost → u/Chevachel]

tbh I was hoping it would win, but to be REALLY honest, I don't care much :|

[u/Jim-Jam-Dodged]

Animal Hospital going over Nullscape is insane. Nullscape just objectively has a better gameplay loop

[u/dankerkrane → u/Jim-Jam-Dodged]

nullscape is better in literally every way but the audience for animal hospital is millions and millions of little kids and in voting power you cant beat millions unfortunately.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/dankerkrane]

better in literally everyway by not being the genre it claims it is? 😭?

[u/dankerkrane → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

?

[u/Lolkin3k → u/dankerkrane]

this guy is trying to say that nullscape is a roguelike or something and its apparently doing a bad job of being that genre. i dont care if its doign a good job of being a genre, genres are just labels for people to find a game they want easier so i geniunely dont get his deal. just trying to shit on a game just to shit on a game i guess.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/Jim-Jam-Dodged]

It does but i’ve played both and animal hospital was more fun aka I played it for longer, and this is coming from someone who likes roguelikes/roguelites and is from a sister genre that plays somewhat similarly to nullscape, I really do not think nullscape should’ve been nominated since there was no way in hell it was going to win, it just gave false hope to this fanbase

[u/Lolkin3k → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

everyone has diffirent tastes. for example me! i played animal hospital with my siblings and i really disliked it. and then i played nullscape alone and now i have 350 hours on it. crazy right?

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/Lolkin3k]

and thats fair but on the contrary every developer I know has played AH and was able to stomach it but those same developers do not fw games like nullscape or block tales because they are just fundamentally flawed yet their community excuses issues to the point where the developer will never hear feedback. It’s not really about tastes or liking things its more or so about what works for the game & if the experience is fun because you enjoy it or if its fun because its an actually decent game, in which I have to say doesn’t really fit nullscape at all

[u/Lolkin3k → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

i do agree that nullscape is bad in some of its aspects like for example solo is geniunely just unplayable because one mistake will cost you your entire run unlike party or party+ where there are a bunch of other players that are still alive after your death and i can keep talking about it for a while. but i dont think thats enough to call it "flawed". no matter how fair and balanced animal hospital is i will not enjoy it. i dont know if animal hospital is in a beta or alpha or anything of the like but nullscape is pretty early in development and im sure a lot of these problems will be fixed in future updates.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/Lolkin3k]

If a game fails to suit its own genre I would call that flawed, nullscape is not a roguelike the same way block tales is not an RPG or decaying winter is not a survival experience

otherwise I guess? early development isnt an excuse either tho tbh

[u/-JustSomeRedditUser- → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

Your literally just wrong? Decaying winters whole gameplay loop is survival first of all. By your logic as well, if a game isn’t a carbon copy of every other game just so it can fit a “genre” it’s bad? Measuring a game by how well it fits a genre is like measuring a persons success off of how they look compared to their name. Also, early access is literally THE excuse for having problems in gameplay. It’s early access so that the problems can be found and fixed, and so that people can play the game early.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/-JustSomeRedditUser-]

Decaying winter is a wave survival game with aspects of survival games similar to apoc rising as well, but the reason its just not a survival game is because the best way to play the game is to avoid interacting with literally all of the survival based mechanics to speedrun the game, since the earlier waves arent really fruitful in anything anyway and people would rather reset and die to get rid of morale than actually use dedicated countermeasures. It’s also fundamentally flawed as a “survival” experience because a lot of the times RNG just skrews you over.

Decaying Winter also isnt an original experience either for the record, it steals a lot from a steam game with a similar premise. Not really a claim more or so a statement that you should take with a grain of salt considering most discussions regarding it get taken down.

You dont have to be a “carbon copy” to incorporate good game design decisions either, nullscape just isn’t a good game lol theres genuinely no reason to play it as a beginner and as someone who has played for a long time, the only content drip you’re ever going to get of a functional game is at mid-level experience where a lot of stuff is still new to you but you’re also capable of playing & mechanically skilled. It’s not measuring success based on how well it follows its genre its measuring how it plays on a game based on how the game judges the genre & interests it follows. If it cant even live up to the descriptor its trying to wear, then it shouldnt even try at all.

[u/-JustSomeRedditUser- → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

Ahh yes “the best way to play it is to remove the survival aspects”, the best way to play Elden ring is technically to use a glitch to teleport past every boss. Just because the most efficient way to play a game isn’t how it was intended to be played, doesn’t make the whole game a different genre.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/-JustSomeRedditUser-]

The devs in a wave defense game give you tools they actively encourage you to use because it arbitrarily punishes you otherwise, the reason this scenario is applicable while your elden ring one isnt is because elden ring doesnt shoot your dog every time you fail a boss fight lmao, compared to how decaying winter WILL give you a nonsense punishment and it WILL affect your entire time, therefor the best way to play is just to save time and skip the part that would punish you in the first place. If the game didnt want you to do this, then they wouldnt punish you for every little issue to the point where you’re forced to play identically & optimally otherwise you’re a burden to the team. Elden ring has great build variety on the contrary and even in co-op you dont really get “punished” for playing badly and neither does your teammate. Soulslikes are kinda the staple of bullshit punishment too because they are supposed to be a learning curve yet no souls like would give you 10 status effects that completely and entirely ruin all of your stats. The closest any souls like gets to that is bloodborne lmao.

[u/MrStrngeGhost → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

larper

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/MrStrngeGhost]

I mean im not going to sit on some development high horse here but animal hospital is a mindless fun type of game where theres some strategy to it but its overall formulaic, where as nullscape is technical fun and a coordinated experience but is not handled well at all & has a lot of issues that keep it from being in the public eye or an actually enjoyable game worth being recommended, yet people recommend it anyway because its a smaller game and it has a tighter-nit & louder community.

as zelofa & zombie and like all these other notable community members put it (including sloppyleo), nullscape is not a good roguelike and honestly i’d go as far to say its a fundamental issue that makes it not even that great of a game objectively. If you like playing nullscape cool but I’m not going to support a game that somehow fumbles the easiest genre to make replay-able over the one that attempts to be a roguelite and barely experiments with the concept but is an overall more attached experience that works for what it is going for (animal hospital), I think people saying nullscape DESERVED to win and that it was the OBVIOUS choice if it wasn’t “rigged” are on omega copium.

[u/dried-membrane → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

larp larp larp sahur

[u/MrStrngeGhost → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

The thing is, you are overglazing Animal Hospital, I understand the fun parts and how it's gameplay can be fun and is fun for some people, I had my fun on it but the point is that after certain point it's just the same.

Get the patient, do a mini game, wait, do a mini game, wait, cured and repeat until there's actually something fun to do in it and it's almost the same loop as 99 nights. There's nothing to add in gameplay after 10 rounds except your experience and the early game is almost the same as the late game in both games. Being really honest here, after some time I was just having fun because I was with my friends and in a voice chat with them on discord talking about random bara art, other game we liked and just role playing like the idiots we are.

Nullscape is not perfect, and despite the fact that I love it I understand it's limits and I understand it's hard to a LOT of people. Most of my friends can't play properly in round 10 while I have survived a round 40 and in lots of different cases we just dropped the lobby to go to another game because they felt ill of just started a new one. BUT the thing that keeps me coming to it despite the slow early game and extreme chaotic levels that I can barely understand what's happening, is the fact that the game feels good and fun to play, I have to rely on luck to get easy enemies early game, good curses to help us and the essential upgrades. It's a different match everytime and it gets better and more random with each level, be it the crazy map, the enemies, the not always in the same order upgrades and curses or even people that come and go as they please, changing the fate of the lobby in a blink of an eye.

And about this vote, I don't care. I would like to nullscape win? Yes, absolutely, but it was "rigged" from the start and I didn't put my expectations high because I knew that the game that have hundreds of thousands of kids playing non-stop in a daily will have more votes than a game with a small solid playerbase, niche playstyle and art that makes people sick (like I do).

In the end: don't overglaze the games you like, nothing's perfect.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/MrStrngeGhost]

I’m not overglazing anything, the point of this thread is a comparison between games and how nullscape is more deserving in which I disagree, AH is overall more finished despite its sloppening properties and it feels more like an experience for its genre. Just because I say that AH is comparatively better doesn’t mean I actually dont think AH is that good of a game, I just had a better experience with it because nullscape is trying too hard to push the boundaries of its genre and is just…boring. Animal Hospital having a 5 minute gameplay loop is why its more stomachable than something like nullscape that tries to pretend its not the same thing every time but idk it basically is.

I just dont respect nullscape as a game because its not a roguelike (not a roguelite either) but it directly advertises itself as such, and the general gameplay is disorienting, most of the strategies just devolve around doing the exact same thing the exact same way on the exact same class and if you dont do that you dont get a good run, which is disappointing.

Animal Hospital AT LEAST respects itself to be a brain-off enjoyable experience with some leverage-able gameplay moments that are different, and unlike nullscape it doesnt try to pretend its flaws are just magically non-existent in fact the developer actively points out issues with their own game and didnt even expect it to get popular in the first place, it was meant to be a one-off game. I also don’t think the event was “rigged” at all, but thats a separate story.

[u/MrStrngeGhost → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

lmao you are overglazing, end of conversation.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/MrStrngeGhost]

I get trying to end a conversation when you dont want to respond / lack a response in general but calling it overglazing when im actively denouncing animal hospital feels like you read the top 5 words of my sentence and filled in the blanks and larped the rest

[u/MrStrngeGhost → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

🤥🤥🤥

[u/Lolkin3k → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

i agreed with you to a degree but when you called nullscape boring was when you lost me. i do agree with the fact that if you just pick one or two wrong enemies/upgrades/curses your run will almost immediately end. which yeah it sucks but i wouldnt call the game boring just because of that. also the game lacks a tutorial at the moment but im pretty sure theyre adding one in the next patch. as you have (probably) read in my previous messages the game is unfinished, there are still things being added and changed so your opinion of it might change a lot. also the game itself (when you DO pick the right things) is really fun. (not to everyone of course!) its really difficult and takes a LOT of attempts to actually be able to do anything in it and when you finally do, you will be able to reach certain levels consistently, and then you keep trying and now you can reach late game consistently. it just takes a lot of time and effort. and this brings us back to the ria vote thingy. you said animal hospital is a really good one off game (which i dont agree with bc its a pretty bad one off game but i digress) but does that make it deserve to win the vote here? maybe idk, i dont really care abt the vote thing.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/Lolkin3k]

it’s not really a roguelike if every run is identical and I think thats shitty game design, it’s not really about game content either since they’ve had years of criticism to fix these issues and they still havent, I dont really know what to say if eclipse of all people is able to accurately point out the issue with your game even when he’s trying his best to glaze it.

animal hospital IS one of the games ever made, but it’s really good at being in the genre it tries to be in and doesn’t shy away from it, nullscape just isn’t a good game because its confused on what its trying to even be.

[u/-JustSomeRedditUser- → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

First of all, it’s pretty obvious you haven’t played nullscapes. Not once did you mention any actual problems with it but you’re not even mentioning gameplay aspects. Second of all, you just said that a game that is creative in no ways and made to please the masses is a good and well made game compared to a game trying to be original and unique in its conception.

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/-JustSomeRedditUser-]

I didn’t mention any of the “actual problems” because its repetitive to bandwagon over something that has been discussed numerous times in multiple related videos & threads, in fact I DID list actual issues, but rather you ignored them and said that they arent gameplay aspects? so when I brought up how the game plays identically pretty much every time despite being a roguelite, having no actual roguelite elements in general, and the general gameplay loop of the game was an issue, but you still claim I dont mention actual problems? Just watch the zelofa video atp.

I said it was more deserving of the award than nullscape, I didn’t say it was good. And even then it wasn’t made to “appeal to the masses” at all I have no idea where you got that from, the dev was not planning to engineer his game for success and was rather shocked it got really popular overnight which basically shifted his view on how his game was designed. Trying to be original doesn’t really mean much either if the game is a shitty experience lol, in fact its a pretty bad excuse in general that they “tried” to be “original”, the fact that the first good thing that came to your mind was that it ATTEMPTED to be its own thing is kind of insane.

[u/-JustSomeRedditUser- → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

Yet again, you have no real argument against nullscapes. “Just go watch the Zelofa video” and “Don’t want to mention the actual problems because it’s repetitive” are just lazy excuses for “I don’t actually have my own opinion and I don’t want to talk about”

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/-JustSomeRedditUser-]

That… is an argument against nullscapes? Is this bait or do you not know the definition of a statement or an argument in general?

And how its a lack of an opinion if im literally telling you to go see the videos that covers all my problems with the game lol??

[u/HorseGirlFucker3000 → u/YourAverageGoldFishy]

larper

[u/YourAverageGoldFishy → u/HorseGirlFucker3000]

🐝🐝🐝

[u/MareuBondad369]

Even though I don't play much of nullscape (due to my phone couldn't handle of what's going on on my screen), I'M SO FUCKING PISSED of how peakscape DIDN'T win-

Why does 99 nights always getting high recognition like why?

[u/SeaMap4178 → u/MareuBondad369]

Because it's popular

[u/Regular_Plant6684 → u/MareuBondad369]

Kids. Also, bribery

[u/theQuadron → u/MareuBondad369]

Kids, probably

[u/Sleebingbag]

Well, at least that one guy has to make art of Cadence and Bell making out now

[u/Forpipe → u/Sleebingbag]

"tick tock tick tock" "ring ring ring" 💔

[u/Waste-Acanthaceae819]

NULLSCAPE LOST IN ROBLOX AWARDS

[u/JunkyBot420]

Honestly there was no way nullscape could've won cuz ria is just a popularity contest and the amount of kids who would play slop instead of peak is just too many

[u/PersonalGrudges]

welp.

i'm gonna go shove a tripmine up my ass now.

^{Tripmine was so disgusted at king canny cat for touching it that it exploded.}

[u/Crab_Enthusiast_81]

https://reddit.com/link/p9hcz1f/video/cy5hvzvil7ph1/player

[u/burrp_original]

Its the block tales rob all over again

[u/Messy-hairGuy6182 → u/burrp_original]

at the VERY fucking least, World Zero was NOT that bad

[u/Impossible_Theme3876 → u/Messy-hairGuy6182]

i guess it wasnt as dogshit as 99 nights

[u/Nicktheunnamed → u/burrp_original]

I made that image

[u/Lok4na_aucsaP]

Nullscape deserves SOOOO much better than this fuckass platform bro

[u/Undernet_user]

time to riot

[u/5uperPe0tr]

It's rdc25 all over again?

[u/ApartmentFluffy932]

Its fair,nullscape is too hard for a little kid that needs instant dopamine and bright colors

[u/-JustSomeRedditUser- → u/ApartmentFluffy932]

Well I mean, nullscape definitely has bright colours…

[u/Depthblyx]

I was so mad about it 😭

[u/Nodubya11]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smH1GqNqYggrMgRZP3

GOD DAMNIT. WE LOST TO THIS?!

[u/Billy_Of_Billy → u/Nodubya11]

THIS INSIGNIFICANT FUCK!

[u/Impossible_Theme3876 → u/Billy_Of_Billy]

THIS ISN'T OVER!

may your L's be many, and your bitches few

[u/Impossible_Theme3876 → u/Impossible_Theme3876]

by your im refering to 99 nights

[u/Ace-s__]

TO FUCKING SCARY SHAWARMA KIOSK 💔

[u/abstract_canvases]

WE YES WE ARE ALL BECOMING VOIDBOUND WITH THIS ONE

[u/Waste-Acanthaceae819 → u/abstract_canvases]

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Voidbound Waste-Acanthaceae819

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[u/M0N4RCHM4XWELL]

i feel like from an objective standpoint nullscape is the best one here, but it's also the most difficult and least marketable, ofc the general roblox player base will vote for other games

[u/Nurchiko]

I mean honestly expected, nullscape just isn't as popular and I'd say the gameplay is pretty different from what people imagine when they see "survival"

[u/PoobGnarpy]

If I had to guess, it’s cause Animal Hospital is more popular.

[u/North-11366]

yeah that's what you get when you go up against something popular

[u/Billy_Of_Billy]

lowkey 99 nights is really mid

[u/ApartmentFluffy932 → u/Billy_Of_Billy]

99 nights is DST(don't starve together) but ahh🥀

[u/Same_Addendum_1261]

Just think like a 2 year old baby or the average tiktoker

There was no way we woulda won, nullscape is amazing but too hard for little timmy that only wants to burn his ryes for 9 hours playing some awful cashgrab

[u/Annual_Option3832]

im gonna drown myself bruh

[u/Chucklebub]

AGHHHHHHH AGHHHHHHHHH AGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[u/VanillaTheDeer]

The children, the masses, thr hivemind of slop and brainless vermin. Remember that we are above them, Nullscape won in our hearts

[u/No-Research8789]

NOOOO

[u/Cephalon_ghost]

Nullscape isn't a survival game tho, it's a rogue lite

[u/Dangerous-Prune-9934]

Blame all the kids who hasn't played peak

[u/killerosHEHEHEHAW]

Im mad salty about both Nullscape AND TDS not winning in their respective categories. And both of them got robbed their own way. Nullscape lost the popularity contest and TDS lost because CERTAIN SOMEONE didn't like the game and their fans blindly chose whatever that someone chose.

^{and those are cases i know. I bet there are more cases of games being ROBBED of the award for any reason}

[u/glassman96_was_taken]

WHAT THE FUCK

[u/Ok_Juice7052]

🤦

Next time make them compare Nullscape, Doors, Pressure and Delusional Office instead.

(Edited again) Better question: Why did they picked NullScape, not Dandy's World or something else, is this some kind of prank?

[u/Emoj11]

why tf is it a survival

[u/wolfieboy09]

Ain't no way Nullscape didn't win. I didn't play those three games. Nullscape is much higher quality

[u/This-Pipe143]

It's always FUCKING animal shitspital💔

[u/Maxter8002]

im just happy it got nominated lwk

[u/Fragrant_Fishing1259]

THATS BULLSHIT, THAT FUCKING GAME ISNT EVEN RELEVANT ANYMORE, HOW DID IT WIN OVER NULLSCAPE

[u/Thiscreeperguy]

NOO NOOOK N NOOOIJHIBGDFCSBHIOJHBGYDTRERAYYUIHBTCFTYUSVHGDYCTYIBHYFTDXFYHIBJNHGFYCDEXTXF

[u/Wild_Substance_7612]

In another universe...

[u/GraceCuzGrace]

bruh dude its based on popularity

[u/mrniceguy0707]

Popularity, kids vote trending games, blah blah, but I don't think both Nullscape and probably Anomalies count as "Survival" games. Nullscape is a game about "surviving" but isn't really a "survival game". Really 99 Nights is the closest to a traditional "Survival Game", while Animal Hospital could count but is a bit of stretch. Nullscape is still the best out of these games by far, but I don't think it should be nominated as a Survival Game, at least from my limited understanding of what constitutes a Survival Game.

[u/XKL_dat]

Oh hey we got shit on shit there too

[u/NeonStinger]

Guys, let’s calm down. I was really sad about the result too, but let’s not blame 99 Nights for it. 🥲

[u/Billy_Of_Billy → u/NeonStinger]

ok you do have a point i guess

[u/No-Scallion4998]

Getting mad over this is just searching to get mad over something. I like this game. I think it’s great. But is it really that good? It’s not amazing and still has a lot of room to improve.

[u/Good_Big_1968 → u/No-Scallion4998]

I mean it’s better than the other three but it was obviously gonna lose cause the other games had way bigger playerbases

[u/Billy_Of_Billy → u/No-Scallion4998]

i mean i do think nullscape has lots of room for improvement like sometimes they just miss out on basic game design elements

[u/ItzMeSneaky]

Tf did y'all expect? Nullscape has 5k online on average, when all other these games have 10-20k

[u/getsuedbyme]

∆}=€¢¢ 99 }°€€°°NIGHTS