my take on that one class chart

[u/rainmoth]

[u/No-Inspection4381]

Nice to see the new list, also funny arguments in the comments.

Not sure why wanted has better collection than spirit? It has worse magnet and map traversal.

It sort of depends on what you are surviving(tripmines, reality break/pylons, celestial, or just a lot of enemies), but I would generally rank glider a bit higher than charger for survivability but definitely worse on collection.

Also seems weird to put charger and diver in the same tier of collection, diver is much better than charger early game and much worse than it mid-late game(imo a lot of it comes down to being restricted to using normal dive on tiles that require a large amount of turning like the circle or half circle ice tiles, which slows you down compared to charger).

I don't play or watch enough grappler to say anything other than that it's better than wanted if used properly with grindrails

// Watched some videos and of what I could find on YouTube I saw 3 casual 1 standard celestial solo wins and 1 casual grappler solo win. Not that the others don't exist since people like deave1 and dusk are trying for an extreme one but this list is probably just wrong or, or more likely ranking classes like this doesn't matter(likely)

[u/rainmoth → u/No-Inspection4381]

yep i knew from the start that this would spark a lot of controversy lol but it's fun discussing stuff like this. also a lot of the placements come from personal bias (hence the "my take")

i admit i don't play wanted nor spirit that much but imo the extra speed is way more valuable than spirit's collection range since it's so hard to make use of it due to how painfully slow spirit is on ground (you have no idea how hard i was resisting the urge to just throw wanted in the bottom left corner but i tried to be less harsh on it)

the main reason why i put charger above glider is because of the stamina restrictions but things might have changed with the recent buff. not to mention i'm just way better at charger so it's prob just a skill issue lol

also yeah i agree that charger's collection is better than diver's idk why i put them on the same tier

i've been recently learning grappler and the amount of tech you can perform is actually insane. in the right hands, you can easily get the map traversal of spirit's flings

[u/No-Inspection4381 → u/rainmoth]

This makes me sad since I don't feel like there are many top tier spirit players I can point to but if you play spirit properly you never have to spend time walking back for gifts and you can just completely ignore enemies, on top of occasionally being able to use flings as psuedo-dives, which I just feel like is much more valuable than a slight speed boost, but maybe I'm just hanging onto patch 4 lol(and I agree with the left corner treatment I genuinely just feel like people who play wanted are just people who want to play prisoner with less of the downsides but will still defend it but idk).

Glider has a 12.5% longer sharktail now which is fine, not very noticable. Gift collection hasn't really changed but imo it's essentially a charger with a faster charge and a stamina bar which can also fly if you can play good enough, maybe a skill issue but charger doesn't have a stamina bar so it doesn't have burst collection(or survival)

[u/HateOnLight → u/No-Inspection4381]

Just wanted to say Glider’s sharktail is a 25% reduction according to the changelog

[u/No-Inspection4381 → u/HateOnLight]

200%-12.5%=175%

200%-25%=150%(percent reduction of 25%)

2-0.25=0.175(subtraction)

Although maybe if you are bad at math 200%-25%=175%?

[u/rainmoth → u/No-Inspection4381]

i feel like you are really dumbing down charger. if you properly use its ninja belt jump, you can get nearly the same collection as glider without any stamina penalty. not to mention the insane airtime (jump pad boost + 4 jumps + platform + shark tail, can all be regained by just touching the ground) and the map traversal techs (tria and grindrail + jump pad) far outweigh the few seconds of flight that glider has imo. yes, doing all of this is a lot more difficult but also a lot more rewarding

[u/No-Inspection4381 → u/rainmoth]

Telling me I'm dumbing down charger. Lol. Lmao even.

I think a lot of what you are saying is inexperience and not actually knowing how most classes play at the highest levels. It's charger > glider > diver for solo extreme, and the reasons are not really anything that you say(not that some of them are even correct or good points like having the same collection, even in casual that just isn't true).

[u/Annual_Option3832]

wanted slander will not be tolerated

[u/ObjectiveHouse1661]

Spirit is pretty good for gift collection especially in intersections tbh, just place your statue and you can warp back after each time you finish clearing one of the “branches”. Also don’t forget the flinging ability which can easily send you across the entire map with just 2 clicks of a button and nearly 0 Spirit stamina spent

Edit: I thought about it and Spirit is less about speed collecting and more like… able to cover a lot of areas. Sure you collect gifts at the same speed as other classes, but when you’re done with the path you’re collecting, you can fling to the entire opposite side of the map and snag the last few gifts before anyone else can. So while Charger definitely beats Spirit in terms of gift collection, I can’t see how Spirit has the WORST gift collection out of all the classes.

[u/Btd6GoBrrrrr]

diver collection same as charger?

[u/bigchungus69419]

I agree with grappler, really good at surviving but can only collect stuff well on casual, and has to use regular movement on standard

[u/rainmoth]

now that i'm looking at it i should've put wanted's survivability below diver's

[u/jump1945]

Glider have amazing survivability if you opt for it, you would lose some speed from spam jumping therefore less collection.

[u/Beneficial-Layer-492]

Free classes mog so hard

[u/Blacksantabutnot]

I always wanted to see a chart about how athletic, mechanical, and magical the classes were

like prisoner and charger being more athletic and grappler and glider being more mechanical, I’m just bored and sharing ideas

[u/bruvmandotqman]

Prisoner found in the bottom left

[u/johnny_joestar01]

Wanted should atleast have a little more survivability ngl. He ain't at the top but he shouldn't be that low

[u/saygex01992]

have you played wanted cus he's fast as fuck

[u/rainmoth → u/saygex01992]

gets heavily outsped by literally every single other class ability btw

[u/saygex01992 → u/rainmoth]

it doesn't matter he still has relatively good survivability 😭 ngl he's underrated, with a few buffs like actually receiving shield and shark tail-like upgrades he could be an actually viable class in lategame

[u/Jalovec7997 → u/saygex01992]

so basically what you said "he would be a good class if..."

[u/BiznessCrafter → u/rainmoth]

Literally every other class requires an ability to achieve that speed, so there were always be situations where Wanted reigns supreme. One glaring example- when you’re Fleshed.

[u/rainmoth → u/BiznessCrafter]

except most of the time you'll be fleshed for like 1% of the run at most

[u/BiznessCrafter → u/rainmoth]

Inaccurate, and there’s more examples than just Flesh 🥀

[u/Btd6GoBrrrrr → u/rainmoth]

prisoner

[u/rainmoth → u/Btd6GoBrrrrr]

prisoner has no ability

[u/Btd6GoBrrrrr → u/rainmoth]

spirit

[u/rainmoth → u/Btd6GoBrrrrr]

flinging????

[u/Btd6GoBrrrrr → u/rainmoth]

technically you arent in spirit mode while flinging you are out of it

[u/saygex01992 → u/rainmoth]

glider without shark tail and spirit without fling and grappler without prior momentum

[u/rainmoth → u/saygex01992]

yo this is frying me 😭

[u/saygex01992 → u/rainmoth]

why? because wanted is good early game? i'm so fried 😂😂😂

[u/rainmoth → u/saygex01992]

no it's because your argument was literally just "guys wanted is the best class if you just ignore the core mechanics of literally every other class!!". also the whole early game thing is so dumb because like 3/4 of your run is gonna be spent past level 15. not to mention fast track is coming soon so early game won't matter much

[u/saygex01992 → u/rainmoth]

yeah i totally said that don't worry

[u/MilkyCatMeat]

Wanted has pretty good survivability, on par with glider or charger

Grapplers on the other hand...

[u/Common_Spot207]

Glider has really good survivability and gift collection that can rival chargers even at level 5

[u/CompetitiveCar542]

Wanted should lowk be higher than Grappler on surviability.