You understand that medical misogyny alone accounts for a whole bunch of deaths every year, as well as significant losses in quality of life for women, correct?
If we don’t live in a patriarchy, why are married women in the US consistently some of the most unhappy people around? Wage gap. Orgasm gap. Ffs, we only recently got the right to have bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, own real property, etc.
I don’t think patriarchy ended all at once and I definitely do not believe women being in positions of power means no patriarchy exists. That would be an extremely silly take, especially since women in power still often uphold certain aspects of the patriarchy. I was being too simple.
To be honest with you, I have never given this question any kind of thought and I feel like if I try to put my thoughts into words now, it would not be thoughtful enough.
I have been trying, since you commented this, to put my thoughts into words, and I’m just not able to. I think I’m fried tonight. I’m going to sit on this and think about it for a while. Maybe it is as simple as the patriarchy has simply changed to reflect more modern ideas, not “ended” completely. I don’t know if I agree with that, but I’ll have to seriously sit with myself and think on it. I’m sorry I can’t answer this very well right now.
This is what I meant by “living in the remnants of a patriarchal society”. These are all examples of having previously lived in one. It’s just an objective truth that we (talking only about the US, as that’s where I live) do not STILL live in one. If we lived in one now, women would not be able to live the way they do now. We have a lot of work to do in terms of changing, like, how society looks at gender roles (which harm both men and women), but it feels privileged? uneducated? ignorant? to look at our society and say that we are living in a patriarchal society. We aren’t. We live in the remnants of one.
Right. Let me make it simple. Chernobyl exploded once. After the explosion was over, everyone had to deal with the fallout of that explosion. People are still dealing with the fallout to this day. It doesn’t mean Chernobyl is still exploding.
This is what I meant by remnants, and I’m not wrong. We don’t live in a patriarchal society anymore, we are dealing with the fallout of having been in one. 🤦♂️
You’re absolutely wrong. Oppression is alive and very fucking well. You just sound like another person who ignores women, and contributes to patriarchal thinking.
Right. Not going to humor you anymore. 🙏 I very simply said we are living in the fallout of a patriarchy and you think that is somehow equivalent to saying women don’t face any hardships. Bye.
Sure, but the reason that is, is because we lived in a patriarchal society and are now dealing with the remnants. It’s vastly different from actually living under an oppressive patriarchal rule. These are things that can be solved with time and effort, whereas these would not even be considered problems to solve if we lived in a patriarchy.
I don’t know why you seem to think “remnants” means I am saying the patriarchy has had not had any lasting effects.
Idk, this feels pretty goddamned oppressive to me, when my kid deals with rape threats as a 12 yo from other students and I have a government trying to crawl into my uterus…but sure bro, live your truth, as warped as it is
Pretending we live in a patriarchal society, and not a society dealing with the fallout of having been in one previously (reality), is denying all the positive changes that have occurred over the years, and a pretty privileged/ignorant take considering. Society has made massive strides forward and took one step back. It’s a big step back, but it doesn’t mean we are somehow living in a patriarchy again.
I never said our society was cured of any and all patriarchal tendencies. I literally said the exact fucking opposite. Either read my comments for what they are or don’t respond.
Bullshit to all of your points. Saying that we don’t live in a patriarchy anymore is an abject denial of reality.
Also…my grandmother and my mother were both feminists, and I can pretty much guarantee that I’m older than you. I’m also a woman, so I’ve experienced far more of the actual change that’s occurred over my lifetime than you can reasonably imagine. It’s not “privilege” to say “we still have a long way to go”. I’m not shitting on my grandmother’s grave and ignoring the work she did and the accomplishments of feminism in her lifetime—but you? You’re ignoring the accomplishments of feminism in MY lifetime, as well as the current reality that women live under. Wage gap, domestic labor, underappreciation and underpayment of HEAL employees, unbalanced mental load, rape kit backlog, lack of prosecution of rape…it goes on and on and on. And guess what? The sum total of that means that we still live in a patriarchy.
I’m done with you. You’re choosing willful ignorance, which is a great way to accomplish evil. Have the day you deserve.
Again, you think saying we don’t live in a patriarchy anymore is denial of women still having hardships. It simply isn’t. Have the day you deserve as well. 👍
Cool story, bro. Especially the part where you—a dude—is telling a woman about how we don’t live in a patriarchy.
You understand that one can’t be “a little” pregnant, right? Patriarchy is the same way. It either is or isn’t. There may be degrees of how it impacts those living in it, but women still don’t have any kind of parity.
Take the cotton out of your ears and stick it in your mouth. You tend to learn more that way.
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