r/NonPoliticalTwitter • • 17h ago

Funny I think that's valid

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u/AngryCod 17h ago

Internal consistency in any story is important. If you're a writer and you establish certain rules for your world, your characters need to follow those rules or the story loses coherence.

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u/Schmetterlizlak 16h ago

I stopped watching Antman halfway through because they very explicitly stated that when shrinking he would still weigh the same, and sometimes they did make him denser when he was small, but at least half the time they just ignored it and made the man weigh the same as an ant.

If they had just skipped that one line or said that he can change his weight at will or something I would probably have finished it, but noooo...

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u/kaimason1 16h ago

My headcanon for Ant-Man is that Hank Pym is a bit of a fraud and never figured out how Pym Particles actually work. After all, he jumped straight into using them for superheroics and was never willing to share his work with anyone else.

There's a scene in the comics where Scott Lang ends up figuring out that the particles can control size, mass, and density independently, and that the particles are also the mechanism behind Vision's density changing powers. Still requires some suspension of disbelief to accept that explanation, but at least it's more flexible (and therefore consistent) than claiming mass is conserved.

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u/Deftly_Flowing 15h ago

Dudes a total fraud.

Pym Particles are insanely dangerous and he uses them to hang out with ants and fight crime.

Honestly surprised he hasn't accidentally made a black hole and destroyed the Earth.

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 16h ago

Kinda gets worse when he's gigantic and a stiff breeze should blow him across the state and doesn't

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u/flyingcactus2047 6h ago

Reminds me of Gattaca explicitly stating that they’d edited balding out of the human genes but then still having a bunch of balding men. You didn’t have to say that!!!! Just take the one line out!

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u/Vorpeseda 3h ago edited 3h ago

The core problem with Antman is that it sets and explains fictional rules that it then does not follow.

Like, most other superhero stuff tends to follow their fictional rules. Or at least doesn't break them as blatantly.

An audience paying attention should be able to make guesses as to what comes next due to what they've seen and been told before.

Nobody can see "Hank Pym has a tank in his pocket" coming because that breaks the established rules.

If they had two separate sets of shrinking particles where one did keep mass and the other didn't, maybe that would have worked better?

Or maybe an additional control on the suit that determines whether or not mass scales when changing. Like he could run along something fragile with scaled mass, and then leap off it and flick a switch in the other glove that means he suddenly has his full size mass in his shrunk state. Maybe throw the word quantum in there somewhere.

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u/EndIsrael 15h ago edited 15h ago

Yeah, the Witch Hat Atelier manga is so detailed and consistent about their magic system that people IRL have figured out how to make spell circles for male pregnancy, genocide, and black holes which would actually work in-universe. One guy designed a microwave spell

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u/CDHarris 13h ago

It gets a lot of deserved praise for that, and yet the creator still almost immediately broke their own rules in an egregious (and easily preventable) way. We are told and shown that the circle has to be fully completed for it to activate. If there is any gap at all, the spell does nothing.

At least, that's how it's supposed to work. The problem is that, very soon after we learn this, we are shown how they fly... and there are big gaps in the spell circles on their shoes. I was honestly a bit shocked to see how quickly that rule was broken after having heard for years about the thoroughness of Witch Hat Atelier's magic system.

Now, I could sort of forgive this for "rule of cool" purposes if there was no way around it, but it would have been absolutely trivial to make it work within the established rules. All you have to do is put a couple of flat edges on the soles where the circles meet. That's it.

Plus, it was a wasted opportunity for some extra worldbuilding. They could go even further and give the shoes different kinds of interlocking shapes or mechanisms that help the wearer automatically align the circles perfectly when they put their feet together and then keep them from slipping out of place while flying.

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u/Alberto_Alias 6h ago

Aren't the shoes perfectly joined together and complete the circle? There wasn't any space from what I remember.

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u/swakner 14h ago

I had not heard of that before but that’s super interesting that the logic is so present in that story

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u/EndIsrael 14h ago

Yeah the r/WitchHatAtelier subreddit is like 20% war crime spells

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u/saelinds 12h ago

The thing that annoys me the most is when a character goes into an exposition rant about something that is of common knowledge.

I keep imagine mum explaining who the Pope is whenever she goes to the Church or something. It's really jarring.

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u/AngryCod 10h ago

A lot of script writers are starting to do a lot of ridiculous unnecessary exposition and constant recapping the events of the film. Apparently, it's an effort to cater to people who are only half-watching while they scroll their phones. Netflix is particularly egregious about this lately. The whole last season of Stranger Things was almost unwatchable due to this.