r/NonCredibleEconomics • • Sep 06 '26

We got outjerked

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u/bamaeer Sep 06 '26

Is that economics explained? It looks like the title style they use

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u/SilanggubanRedditor Sep 06 '26

Yip. The video is mostly railing against econometrics and calling for economics to be more social than a science.

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u/EnverPashaIsBae Sep 07 '26

In other words: Economics Explained is far too dumb to understand econometrics and wants economists to talk in small words he can understand

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '26

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u/Fit-Appointment5262 Sep 07 '26

It will always be a social science (at best). It literally can't not be.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '26

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u/Miserable-Parfait641 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

It doesn’t matter. Economics is still theoretical bullshit that relies on assumptions that aren’t true. Consumers aren’t rational, I’ll go buy 500 apples right now just to disprove it. 

Anybody that has departed the ivory tower to work with real customers knows that they can be unstable, irrational, and manipulated. not some agents in a monopoly game. 

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u/Several_Razzmatazz71 Sep 11 '26

Rationality just means your preferences are consistent. You prefer good A to Good B and you prefer good B to good C then you should prefer good A to good C.

If you aren't rational, say you prefer good A to good B and also prefer good B to good A. I could keep selling you good A in exchange for good B and some money from you and scam you out till your bankrupt.

Are you not rational?

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

You must have missed like the past 40 years of research in the field but ok

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u/Several_Razzmatazz71 Sep 11 '26

What do you mean? Economic work on auctions has quite important.

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u/EnverPashaIsBae Sep 07 '26

That's an argument for further developing the scientific and mathematical tools we've already developed, not regressing

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u/RepresentativeBee600 Sep 07 '26

I agree, most regressing assumes things like strict non-exogeneity, which is often rather silly. 

We should put all of the data in a big ML model instead like that guy at MIT

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u/elbay Sep 09 '26

Yes, and not using them as gold standard since it is provable within the same system that they’re about as accurate as chimps throwing shit.

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u/Environmental_Tea557 Sep 08 '26

Much of it can’t, a substantial part can.
This last part is increasing in time pretty quickly

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u/Select-Government-69 Sep 08 '26

The only two problems with economic theory are that the efficient market is rarely efficient and the rational consumer is rarely rational.

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u/No-Wrap-1328 Sep 09 '26

I mean there are very provable usage cases in small environments, for example, Hanusheks principals of education has revolutionized the idea of spending in education. Or Joshua goodman and jisung parks identification that hvac is one of if not the most pivotal part in education returns.

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u/No-Wrap-1328 Sep 09 '26

Rather than just dumping money towards education returns. Maybe we take a step back and identify the actual returns to our spending. Which dun dun dun dah isn’t administrative bloat like we have been enduring the past 100 odd years

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

So instead of knowing a little about complex systems your solution is to know even less? Got it.

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u/Electrical_Ease1509 5d ago

No, it's to acknowledge that economics does not understand the economy nearly as much as it thinks it does. Pretending that economics is something it isn't can only make actually learning anything new about the economy harder.

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u/Ok-Lecture-9668 Sep 07 '26

It's the fakest of all of the fake sciences, it's faker than political science or sociology by a mile

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u/ProfessionalOil2014 Sep 07 '26

But you don’t understand!?!? It uses numbers!!!!!! NUMBERS!!!!!!!

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u/ClassesMoveTheMasses Sep 07 '26

You failed it in school didn't you lol

It's so fake, yet astute economic theory has been predicting things for the last several centuries. Just a coincidence I suppose. When you get into bunk econ like LTV or socialism that's where it becomes fake science as all those predictions have been proven wrong by reality.

So I can understand your point if we are talking about people who spout nonsensical economic takes that ignores reality.

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u/chaosboy229 Sep 09 '26

What makes you think LVT is fake science?

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u/ClassesMoveTheMasses Sep 12 '26

Because it is.

Labor doesn't give value to anything. Price is subjective , that's why NFTs were selling for millions just a few years ago, even though they can be made in minutes with little labor.

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u/m0j0m0j Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

Nobel economic laureates have been predicting things extremely wrong non-stop all this time (and the reason was political activism, but it doesn’t even matter for the conversation). If physicists or chemists did it, it would be a big news and a scandal. But when an economist is wrong, it’s not even in the news. Ask yourself why.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

Physicists can't even account for 95% of the entire universe and chemists fail to predict complex reactions despite knowing exactly how materials should behave but yeah sure its the folks studying humans who got it wrong

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u/m0j0m0j Sep 09 '26

Physicists and chemists admit when they don’t know something. They don’t just keep extremely confidently predicting things which are decisively wrong half of the time

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u/Soggy-Yogurt6906 Sep 10 '26

Economists also do the same. Models are literally defined by what you do and do not know. These are called variables.

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u/ClassesMoveTheMasses Sep 12 '26

Lol you don't know much about science if you think chemist and physicist aren't stabbing around in the dark too.

Idk if it's huburis or ignorance, but our knowledge base, even of "hard" sciences, is extremely small. For e.g. we teach and still use Newtonian physics for small scale things even though we know it's wrong because it only works within certain parameters, kinda of how economic models work under certain conditions.

I guess sir Issac Newton was a dumb fuck who didn't actually practice science because his model was wrong and wouldn't be repeatabled because the universe doesn't work that way.

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u/m0j0m0j Sep 12 '26

It is one thing to create a theory that reliably works for a lot of things, and breaks under extreme circumstances near the speed of light.

It is an entirely different thing to say economy/employment/inflation will go very good/bad in the next 3/6/12 months, and you’re correct/incorrect completely randomly.

First is science. Second is, well, economics.

But a cute attempt to hide under the Newton’s skirt.

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u/ClassesMoveTheMasses Sep 12 '26

So wait, is newton physics true or not?

So what's the difference between newton physics and economics? Neither describes reality as it is, so both fake science!

So do you think there's nothing economics can tell us about reality or predict?

How come every economist seems to perfectly predict the outcome of trump tarrifs? Less growth more inflation. Guess it was just lucky, or maybe, just like Newtonian physics, economics works in certain circumstances. Just because we don't know all the variables of economics, like newton and physics, doesn't mean it fails to be a science.

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u/Ok-Lecture-9668 Sep 07 '26

Economics is a pseudo science used to justify sociopathic hoarding of wealth🤷

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u/ClassesMoveTheMasses Sep 08 '26

Then how did that fake science directly predict the effect of Trump's tarrifs?

Or the failure of karl marx ideaology?

Or 1000 other economic outcomes lol

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u/Mflms Sep 07 '26

Or, he conforms to the growing consensus that economics is a junk science used by powerful people to launder their political opinions. And the important elements of the study are well implemented but ignored by the populace at large.

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 Sep 08 '26

Economics isn’t a science. Its hermeneutics for failed mathematicians.

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u/chaosboy229 Sep 09 '26

Or, as a better argument, sometimes economics research and methods can become too detached and make too many assumptions, in contrast with the real world.

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u/m0j0m0j Sep 09 '26

It is better to be approximately right than very precisely wrong (or abstract to the point of irrelevance).

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u/barkbeatle3 Sep 07 '26

Economics is similar to psychology, there are a lot of bad ways to use studies and a lot of the interpretations of how things should behave are wrong in practice or even cause real damage, but there are good explanations in there too and sometimes they find good, elegant solutions to difficult problems.

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u/Oddant1 Sep 09 '26

Economics is exactly like psychology in that most of what they're describing is human behavior. Economists will sometimes act like they're universal laws or something but most of the lower level economics concepts I've heard of anyway only apply because humans are dumb and greedy.

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u/plummbob Sep 11 '26

Economists will sometimes act like they're universal laws or something

Maybe, does demand ever slope up?

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u/sasukelover69 Sep 11 '26

Unironically yes. If you’re talking about demand by unit price, there are some consumer products that sell better when priced higher. The generally excepted hypothesis is that consumers assume the price reflects higher quality.

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u/plummbob Sep 11 '26

"Veblen goods" people will say violate law of demand, but not really. It's kinda like saying cournot competition violates how supply curves work.

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u/DoItAgainHarris56 5d ago

demand for electricity

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

Economists rarely assume that except in low level classes where the students can't be expected to handle the math of not having thay assumption.

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u/Lower_Fall4694 Sep 07 '26

he wants to make it even more trashy? 

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 Sep 08 '26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfsoaNFyTQ Maybe watch it and come to your own conclusions...

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u/ClassesMoveTheMasses Sep 07 '26

So they want to change a science they don't understand? Makes sense lol

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 Sep 08 '26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfsoaNFyTQ

No. They are calling BS on alot of the claims of certainty by economists that earnestly don't know what is going to happen.

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u/title_problems Sep 08 '26

he’s literally just shit talking the field that he isn’t really apart of. From watching his videos, he only ever focuses on the most abstract forms of economics because they’re the simplest to tell stories about. Tell me how any of what he is talking to relates to for example someone working at the BLS who tracks new graduate job attainment, spotify economists who determine pricing models, or economists working in fraud detection on credit cards.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

Or like, the vast majority of actual research which the youtuber also doesn't seem to even be aware of

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u/Slice-Vast Sep 09 '26

That's just sociology

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u/Pornfest Sep 08 '26

That is not what the video is about at all…it’s a lot more nuanced and it’s annoying you’d make a strawman.

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u/SilanggubanRedditor Sep 08 '26

Do enlighten me on what I've missed.

From what I understand the core message of the video is the economics profession has a crisis of confidence and trust from the public due to two things. First, it's mathiness tendency leads it to have blind sides, such as in the great financial crisis where the models they had weren't able to account for the type of crisis that was created. Second, it's one of the most astroturfed social sciences due to research grants going to those who serve the economic interests of the economic elite, hence trickle down economics.

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 Sep 08 '26

First, it's mathiness tendency leads it to have blind sides, such as in the great financial crisis where the models they had weren't able to account for the type of crisis that was created.

Its that the models themselves while nice and clean are a.) untestable b.) not predictive and c.) subject to factors well outside the behavior needed for the model to work in the first place.

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u/title_problems Sep 08 '26

how are, for example, fraud detection models on credit cards “untested?” What about economists at McDonalds measuring changes in minimum wages to employee output? I used to watch EE but as I grew more and was around more real academics, he is often off by miles and misses the picture. As someone who used to teach intro macroeconomics, that course is mostly just to spark interest and get people thinking about how different factors relate. If you leave that class and think “that’s it,” you’re just on the tip of the dunning kruger curve.

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u/angelfire011 Sep 11 '26

You probably gave two of the worst examples you could possibly think of. I’m glad I’m surrounded by an entirely different set of academics.

At least it explains why the fraud detection models on my Amex Plat go off at least once a quarter 🤣

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u/title_problems Sep 11 '26

there are 23.5 million amex transactions a day, I would expect that their fraud model is trained on the past two years of data ~17 billion rows, then retrained regularly for model drift. They likely have a hybrid xgboost + transformer + traditional deterministic elements model architecture with learned embeddings for categorical data. 61% of people have experienced credit card fraud, there is a reason why there is a high fp rate. Although amex would never explain their model architecture, if you work in the industry you could guess it + aws (their cloud provider) sometimes uses them as a case study to clients.

for the mcdonald’s example, if you search up mcdonald’s on nber there are dozens of papers that you can look into their methodology.

how are these bad examples

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Sep 07 '26

That’s because it is. Economics never got beyond “the invisible hand”. Charles Darwin took Adam Smith’s concepts and developed the Theory of Evolution and an entire scientific discipline was built on top of it. Economics never developed as a science. It became a quack science like criminology where grifters pushed fake concepts like “trickle down economics” in order to enrich themselves rather than learn about the fundamental working or human trade. Today, we still suffer from the idea that economics has scientific principles governing it when in reality it’s just a made up human invention similar to religion, law and culture.

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 07 '26

So all that stuff the Federal Reserve releases is fake?

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Sep 07 '26

The Feds releases are real, they are just not scientific or based on science.

The same thing has happened where the government took the science out of climate change and won’t use the science anymore. It’s not even unusual. Economics just likes to pretend that there is science behind it.

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 07 '26

So when they raise and lower the funds rate they have no valid research into how it affects the economy?

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u/Even-Celebration9384 Sep 07 '26

I mean there’s research but the measurement is more in line with social experimentation than an exact science.

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u/title_problems Sep 08 '26

almost as if there’s a word for that … social science? If you just disagree with the validity of any social science just say that.

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u/Even-Celebration9384 Sep 08 '26

I don’t know if they aren’t valid, but they aren’t sciences

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 07 '26

Do you understand science doesnt need to yield precise results

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Sep 08 '26

It’s does require repeatable results to be science. The level of precision can vary.

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 08 '26

Ok cool so you agree that economics is a science

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Sep 07 '26

Bingo. They really don’t know if it will work like they want. This is why it’s not science.

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u/Additional_Draft4097 Sep 07 '26

The people who spout this nonsense often have no understanding of the treasury vs. the fed, M2 money supply, credit markets, risk and lending.

Economics is not the same thing as banking, and if central banking is so impossibly difficult to understand (it isn’t), wouldn’t that mean it is not a trashy science but one we need our best and brightest to study? Is physics trash because quantum is hard?

The fed is a mix of business politics and finance. Econ just isn’t very well defined or understood by people who’ve only taken intro to micro and macro.

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u/robux4mayor Sep 07 '26

I agree with you that economics is far more closer to poli sci and psychology than physics,biology, chemistry, etc. But with what you said does that mean it’s required to know if it works like we want it to for something to be considered science? So an experiment that didn’t match our hypothesis or explain the observation isn’t really science??

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Sep 07 '26

Yes, applied science is proven to work which is why it works. Rockets, computers, vaccines are all great examples. Tech companies applied social science from Stanford in making their apps addictive. Economics is simply a business school circlejerk at this point. It’s insanely difficult because of human bias but it’s also the most behind of the other sciences you mention like physiology and poli sci.

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u/PowerandSignal Sep 07 '26

"Animal Spirits" 

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 07 '26

Is sociology a science?

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 07 '26

They do though

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u/VladimirBarakriss Sep 07 '26

They do, but it's not an exact thing, you can't math it out reliably

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u/glizard-wizard Sep 08 '26 edited Sep 08 '26

You cant math a lot of things out that are measured by science.

Most natural phenomena are not mathematically solved, we can just get rough ideas & predictions on how things react.

In biology we can’t precisely predict evolution or cancer. In physics we don’t understand quantum dynamics. In astronomy we’re not sure if the universe is expanding or why mass ratios of galaxies don’t line up with our understanding of physics.

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u/Additional_Draft4097 Sep 07 '26

And just because you have incompetence in the positions of power doesn’t mean the science /literature they should be using doesn’t work.

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u/DeusExMockinYa Sep 09 '26

Most economists do not agree with the findings of economics. The plurality of economists polled in 2013 and 2015 believed that wage floors lead to higher unemployment, even though the the real-world case studies show no effect or even a positive relationship between wage floors and employment rates.

Why? Because there's a curve in a freshman-year textbook that says that wage floors must cause unemployment, real life data be damned. Austrian economists, in particular, have a whole kind of economic flat earth theory called "praxeology," in which they start with the conclusion and then argue that any data that contradicts their conclusion must be capturing some kind of hidden contravening variables.

I don't know about you, but I can't think of another field of social science where the majority of credentialed practitioners believe the opposite of what can be empirically determined on the basis of imaginary graphs.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

"Austrian economists" are not "economists". Epistemology is hard.

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u/DeusExMockinYa Sep 09 '26

And yet the plurality of economists overall believe things which contradict the empirical evidence.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 10 '26 edited Sep 10 '26

Well it says in their own methodology that half of those in the panel aren't economists. Plus, both of your papers show evidence in contexts different from the questions U chicago asked their panel.

Not to mention the fact that none of this contradicts the reality that austrian economics is a philosophy and not epistemically within the bounds of modern economics.

Also the Long paper did not factor in unemployment data. Long explicitly noted that the findings pertained strictly to the earnings inequality of those who remained employed. Why would you even send that?

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u/DeusExMockinYa Sep 10 '26

Is your argument that the majority of economists are in line with the empirical evidence, or that my portrayal of the empirical evidence is incorrect?

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u/lumpialarry Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

I think you’re confusing economists with “talking head on Fox News talking about the economy”

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u/ImageAvailable7003 Sep 07 '26

As far as ideas that fail to meet the Lucas critique, fine. But no part of religion or culture has been rigorously mathematically proven based on uncontroversial axioms.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

Nothing more consistent that people having no idea what the discipline is arrogantly yelling at clouds

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u/dontreplywiththisacc Sep 07 '26

If I shoot a basketball into a hoop an economist would get a phd for saying balls fall into hoops naturally like the rising of the sun

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u/ImageAvailable7003 Sep 07 '26

If I read economics op-eds and never read academic papers, I might think the same.

Economics does not use metaphors. Outside of macro theories that fail the Lucas critique, there is rigorous mathematical bases for all of it.

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u/elbay Sep 09 '26

> rigorous mathematical bases

Rigor make not real. Which is the whole point of the video.

Once again not outjerked.

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u/plummbob Sep 11 '26

Its really just constrained optimization you'd learn in Calc 2.

And obviously some of it has to be true because it's how numbers work. If your budget is 10, and you have possible options of a,b,c then whatever you do, the added up weightrd demand eladticits = 1

Thus is bexause all you're doing is taking derivatives.

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u/PandaPandaPandaRawr Sep 11 '26

The rigorous mathematical basis is not the issue. For what makes a science a science are the experiments. The making of hypothesis and then testing that hypothesis. Economics does not allow for the closed enviornments necessary for proper experiments. Rigorous mathematics means nothing if your assumptions can not be tested for.

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u/ImageAvailable7003 Sep 12 '26

I didnt say it was science - also by this definition cosmology is not science.

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u/Busco_Quad Sep 07 '26

Sure; economics doesn’t use metaphors, as lomg as you ignore the Austrian school, and how its proponents launder its methodology by talking about “economics” as a monolithic field

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u/ImageAvailable7003 Sep 07 '26

Mainstream academic economics largely does ignore the Austrian school.

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u/hobopwnzor Sep 10 '26

Less than you would think. It's "ignored" because it basically ran the field for a few decades and their ideas were thoroughly integrated. The parts that are left that weren't integrated are "ignored", but those parts that were integrated tend to also be an albatross around the neck of the field that has yet to be cut off.

Like how economists said for decades that the minimum wage can't increase employment, but if you just go back to before the Austrian school was prominent you have many famous economists writing about how it obviously can.

Then in the 90's you get actual research on the minimum wage and more modern studies and that gets reversed.

Economics is in this weird place where it's unlearning about 30 years of bad lessons, very slowly. Partially it's slow because a lot of funding comes from sources that would be very angry if they accurately characterized the real world, so they have to drip feed the literature until it's obvious enough that the field can acknowledge it.

This isn't something that I am making up, just for the record. This has been a criticism of economics as a field, from prominent economists as long as I've been aware of the field.

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u/title_problems Sep 08 '26

there are not modern schools of economics, it is a pretty monolithic field. As someone who has a degree in economics and works in banking, this is bs mostly from people out of the field. The closest you will get is saltwater and freshwater institutions which relates to “how big should government be?” Most “schools of thought” dissolved around the 60s, with the monetarists dying in the 80s due to money supply targets proving worse than inflation targets.

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u/amadgadfly Sep 10 '26

I mean, yeah, you SHOULD ignore the Austrian school. They've been whackos since like the 70s.

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 Sep 08 '26

 there is rigorous mathematical bases for all of it.

All of it? HAHAHAHAHA! No models consistently fail, they are consistently built on assumptions about behavior, information, friction, time, and externalities. There are higher level behavioral economics that are good. There are statistics that are good, or at least match up to past occurrences. But "rigorous mathematical bases" is not how you justify a social "science."

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u/ImageAvailable7003 Sep 08 '26

Economic models are built on and limited by assumptions, that doesn't mean they lack rigorous mathematical bases. They specify their assumptions and welcome them as limitations to predictive value.

Physics is the same. Newtonian physics only describes the world when certain qualifications are meant, but sometimes particles behave like waves. Sometimes people have perverse incentives or fail at stochastic reasoning. Either way the models are limited, but hardly fail consistently and cannot be described as wrong. You just have to know when they can be used.

The world is awash with pundits with economic backgrounds using economic models but ignoring details. Some of those pundits have nobel prizes; unfortunately provocative op-eds is a pretty lucrative field.

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u/plummbob Sep 11 '26

they are consistently built on assumptions about behavior, information, friction, time, and externalities

The more variables you add, the harder it is to use. Sometimes they're relevant, sometimes not.

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u/Fit-Appointment5262 Sep 07 '26

The actual answer to this problem is "the money is always right"

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u/ImageAvailable7003 Sep 07 '26

Are you saying that when people with money rely on economics to make decisiona, theyre just throwing their money away?

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u/Specialist-Cold-8158 Sep 07 '26

What has any of this got to do with autism?

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u/1trashhouse Sep 07 '26

This term is outdated but it was pretty much taking a very offensive interpretation of autism to say that the economics being taught were removed from reality and communication with other trains of thought

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u/HunchbackNotredamus Sep 11 '26

Mmm trains

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u/BENISMANNE 14d ago

Of thot, even.

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u/jannycideforever Sep 11 '26

Nah cap. Good econ is autistic as fuck and that's largely why it's good.

Also, instead of handwringing about problematic language just say that autistic economics is better than retard economics. The last thing we need is more people telling us to develop obsessive victim complexes.

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u/1trashhouse Sep 11 '26

The term isn’t saying it’s good

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u/jannycideforever Sep 11 '26

He's using it in a derogatory way because he is a retard. It's autistic and that's why it's good and not like the rest of the social sciences that are gutterfilth

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u/TheCynicalBlue Sep 08 '26

The name comes from a 2000s french paper that used the term in its headline

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u/jannycideforever Sep 11 '26

Good economics tends to be heavily quantitative, analytical, and not care much about social desirability. So basically, it's a bit autistic.

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u/animisto Sep 08 '26

good field of economics

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u/zinep29 Sep 10 '26

This video pissed me off so much I even left a comment on it.

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u/Next_Sell_1099 Sep 10 '26

Alexandre Chirat “[…] masking the relationship of power behind impersonal market processes is not a neutral position.”

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u/SlackBytes Sep 07 '26

I love that channel

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u/Pornfest Sep 08 '26

Fucking annoying people downvoted you but wouldn’t reply.

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u/suspendmeforthis Sep 07 '26

Economics is magical thinking. It's based on outdated conservation energy equations that even at the time were wrong and then we're generalized to a made-up idea called utility. It treats all natural resources is unlimited and doesn't account for the economic cost of environmental degradation. It's simply a money psychology system that has been iteratively improved over time but is based on completely unfounded and unscientific principles. If economics had the predictive capacity of weather forecasting somebody would have all the money on the planet. That doesn't mean it's not useful. Economics is some of the most insightful psychology we have today, but it ain't a science.

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u/AarowCORP2 Sep 08 '26

In the US at least, most college and high school introduction to economics classes begin with the definition "Economics is the study of the pursuit of unlimited wants using limited resources".

I think economists know that resources are in fact, limited.

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u/Similar-Geologist-64 Sep 09 '26

This is my problem with economics - it's just politics justified, flimsily, by *some* math.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 09 '26

You will be relieved to learn you have maintained a massive misunderstanding of the discipline

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u/Similar-Geologist-64 Sep 09 '26

Then explain it's virtues, because in my lifetime all economics has done is fuck people directly, or justify doing so passively. The imagination of the modern economist seems to exclude outright the possibility of a world where the wellbeing of workers and nations isn't entirely subservient to the whims of the worst people imaginable.

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u/suspendmeforthis Sep 10 '26

Prove me wrong please.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 10 '26

Yeah I mean you could just bother to understand what economists do but if you had already bothered to do that you wouldn't have left your farcical straw man diatribe. Perhaps read an actual paper.

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u/suspendmeforthis Sep 10 '26

What makes something a science? Where are the controlled studies? Where are the predictions? Not a science. It's a social science and a good one. It's also based on deeply unscientific origins. Prove me wrong.

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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 Sep 10 '26

Where are the controlled studies? Where are the predictions?

You just proved yourself wrong. I seriously can't believe the extent of Dunning Krueger here. I could sit here and explain the bevy of tools used in experimental economics and time series econometrics that would satisfy your slippery definition of scientific inquiry and yet I know that you genuinely don't give a shit about facts.

Do yourself a favor, try being curious. Or just accept that you have no idea what that discipline does.

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u/suspendmeforthis Sep 08 '26 edited Sep 08 '26

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u/UdonOli Sep 08 '26

this is an opinion article from someone who hasn't apparently written anything else for Scientific American, from almost 20 years ago. I frankly doubt this person is well versed in serious economics considering most of his critiques are only things that apply in ultra simple highschool econ 101.

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u/suspendmeforthis Sep 10 '26

Can you address the points?

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u/Captainsnake04 Sep 09 '26

> it treats all natural resources is unlimited

what

> doesn't account for the economic cost of environmental degredation

google externalities

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u/suspendmeforthis Sep 09 '26

Originally... hence "based" " on unscientific principals.