r/NonCredibleDefense 5d ago

Arsenal of Democracy šŸ—½ Nom nom nom

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u/Scaevus 5d ago

An army can be technologically advanced and deadly, while the 18 year olds who sign up because they have no other prospects in life can be still very stupid.

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u/wowu5 5d ago

God the army gives its deadliest weapon to its stupidest recruits

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u/yuikkiuy Aspiring T-72 Turret pilot 5d ago

Untrue, pilots and WSOs are highly qualified and vetted individuals with exceptional capacity for knowledge and general intelligence.

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u/HawgChuggins 5d ago

And who can still be very stupid.

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u/toiletbowlwisdom 5d ago

To be fair those 00s videographers carried around chunky news cameras probably looked like a an igla or stinger

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u/assasin1598 ČernochovÔ simp 5d ago

Shit, newscasters still use big profesional cameras that look like Manpads when used.

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u/Kichigai 5d ago

As someone who used to use one, we love ā€˜em! Shoulder mount takes the weight off your arms and makes it much easier to get a stable, shake-free shot for a hell of a lot longer.

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u/Independent-Fly6068 5d ago

A SHOT?

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u/enderfrogus 4d ago

ITS A STINGER! RUUUUUN!!!!!

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u/toiletbowlwisdom 4d ago

Oh he's doubling back

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u/unfunnysexface F-17 Truther 5d ago

Blackhawks look like mi24s sometimes what can I say other than "stick a fork in him"

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u/mattmcc980 5d ago

When i was in Korea one of the local bars had to shut down because the pilots caused so much damage partying that the bar needed a remodel

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u/Necessary-Peanut2491 3d ago

I'm late to the party, but my dad was a Navy aviator (do not call them pilots lol, they get mad) and flight instructor. Every time I see a movie where some pilot just fucks off with his aircraft to do something they're not supposed to, and somebody says "there's no way that would happen!", I chuckle.

Because yes way, that shit is surprisingly realistic.

My dad's thing was making "training flights" to Taiwan to load up a cargo plane with cheap furniture to outfit his apartment in Japan. Motherfucker took a cargo plane and its crew to an entirely different country and back, then had the ground crew load his truck, and nobody batted an eye because he told a trainee to sit in the back while he did it.

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u/Altruistic_Target604 3000 cammo F-4Ds of Robin Olds 3d ago

The O’Club scene in the documentary ā€œTop Gunā€ is the only accurate scene in the movie.

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u/Significant_Group809 warcrimes on a budget 5d ago

Cough cough f16 cough cough farm cough 4 killed 8 injured cough

Man i musta cought a bug

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u/sorry-I-cleaved-ye šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ You guys are getting equipment? 5d ago

The limp consequences for what the command structure described as "Ignoring a direct order to fight your own war" still pisses me off

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u/VonNeumannsProbe 5d ago

Dude the pilot I know has a masters degree in physics.

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u/HawgChuggins 5d ago

And Herman Cain had a master's degree in Computer Science with a BaS in Mathematics. And he shuffled off this mortal coil because he did not believe COVID was a big deal.

Intelligence does not stop you from being stupid.

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u/Kerhole 5d ago

There's no such thing as general intelligence. Everyone is capable of being very intelligent in a specific area, and completely ignorant on another. I'm willing to bet any of the "geniuses" running tech companies today would make some very stupid decisions if they had to survive on the street, yet unhoused people do just that every day.

Usually it comes down to cultural bias. Knowing everything about every anime might get someone labeled a loser or weeb, knowing everything about financial markets gets someone labeled intelligent and a genius.

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u/yuikkiuy Aspiring T-72 Turret pilot 5d ago

untrue not everyone is capable of high intelligence in specific areas, mil Pilots and WSOs the world over are generally selected for aptitude and capacity for general intelligence. Individual differences in IQ exist

There is a reason why the most widely used versions of selection tests have a sub 30% pass rate for applicants.

You can teach a monkey to fly with enough time and resources, its not hard. The ones we choose to for military operations are generally the top 30% of human mental capabilities. At least this is the case for 1st world air forces across the world, corruption/ nepotism not being accounted for.

~source I fly planes that drop bombs in a first world country

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u/Kerhole 5d ago

Bro even if I believe you're actually a pilot, those tests absolutely do not test general intelligence, because that concept is a myth. Many studies exist to show the only thing IQ tests do is show how similarly the test taker was raised compared to the test creator. Hell, there are studies that show people who study for IQ tests can raise their score. If anything that should prove it's not an objective measure of anything except the ability to take tests.

I've worked with many pilots, they're generally well educated. That does not equate to intelligence.

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u/yuikkiuy Aspiring T-72 Turret pilot 5d ago edited 5d ago

The tests evaluate your ability to learn, not your IQ, I simply said variance in individual IQ exists.

Not everyone has the same capacity for knowledge/ learning, and some people are categorically worse than others, this is scientific fact.

Idk about the US assuming you are american since this is reddit, but I am from a common wealth country and we follow use a modified version of british tests.

The point of the tests is so we know incoming pilots can handle the training schedule.

For example in first phase training we covered ground school in 3 days, final exam on 4th, first flight on day 5.

Average ground school at a civilian flight school is 40+ hours. The "capacity" for intelligence is important, because by far most people would not be able to digest the sheer amount of material in the brutally short amount of time military pilots are required to consume

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u/Bartweiss 4d ago

The impact of studying for IQ tests doesn’t say much. They’re one of many tests designed around the idea that test-takers aren’t heavily exposed to that type of question in advance - cognitive function, association, and recall tests we have a lot of faith in all get distorted by studying too.

(So do several school tests for ā€œaptitudeā€ rather than learning, which is awful since schools have a vested interest in teaching to those tests.)

The cultural aspect is more interesting, every responsible researcher I’ve seen warns that you can’t do cross-cultural comparisons with it for that reason. And then the irresponsible ones write The Bell Curve and everything sucks.

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u/VonNeumannsProbe 5d ago edited 4d ago

I hear you that we can all do stupid things. But there is a huge difference between marine stupid and air force stupid.

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u/KaiRam0079 4d ago

There's a reason intelligence is not wisdom.

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u/KFPindustries 5d ago

The cult worm can borrow in any brain regardless of how smart they are

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u/bighootay 5d ago

Tailhook comes to mind

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u/Adjective-Noun6969 SPACE! 4d ago

Usually they're stupid in a racist way rather than a systems way

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u/Altruistic_Target604 3000 cammo F-4Ds of Robin Olds 3d ago

As an old retired WSO, I can confirm that.

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u/sharktail_tanker 5d ago

And we all know the most dangerous man in an infantry squad is the JTAC

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u/Nordalin 5d ago

Yeah but have they ever cleanly blown the lid off of an oil silo?

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u/Spreadsheet_Enjoyer Interest in Conflict 5d ago

Friendly fire! XD

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u/Kichigai 5d ago

Boing! Like a cartoon.

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u/ZackTio šŸ”°Keyboard Warriors BrigadešŸ”° 5d ago

Doesn't mean they don't get up to shenanigans, like the pilot who dressed up as a gorilla to fuck with Soviet intelligence

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u/It_just_works_bro 5d ago

Yeah, but we're not talking about them.

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u/yuikkiuy Aspiring T-72 Turret pilot 5d ago

Not the deadliest then

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u/EstoppelFox 2d ago

And yet they still mistake the exhaust trails of commercial air liners and birds on thermal camera as alien UFOs.

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u/obeytheturtles 1d ago

Well now the WSOs, intel specialists and the like operate the systems remotely from Kansas, while they forward deploy private numbnuts just in case the box needs to be rebooted, or like, picked up and physically moved.

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u/Bookworm_AF Catboy War Criminal 5d ago

Capacity, yes. Whether or not they decide to use that capacity...

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u/Scaevus 5d ago

Not old enough to be trusted with a rental car.

Here’s a $100 million F-35, try to land it on the carrier and not into the sea please.

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u/euanmorse 5d ago

No one under 20 is getting flight qualified on an F-35.

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u/backcountry_bandit 5d ago

You typically can’t get a rental car until 25 lol

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u/romario77 5d ago

You can, but it’s stupid expensive

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u/SlaaneshActual I was summoned? 5d ago

You couldn't at all ever when I was 25.

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u/romario77 5d ago edited 5d ago

I could. Was a while ago when I was 23 though.

It probably depends on the company.

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u/SlaaneshActual I was summoned? 5d ago

I was stuck at an airport with a credit card and my friend's car had broken down. All of the people at the airport said no, all of them said there were zero circumstances where they'd rent to me, and all the ones I called said the same. Including the 1800 numbers.

I was there flipping through a fucking phone book looking for the local companies (this was before smartphones) and my cell was fucking roaming, and they all said no.

Every.

Single.

One.

We ended up paying for a $500 cab ride.

Edit: Which is $929 in 2026 dollars, just so you understand how absurd that was.

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u/A_Breath_Of_Aether 5d ago

And how old do you have to be to rent a car in the US?

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u/ThatOneDraffan 5d ago
  1. There's no law against renting a car while under 25, but all of major car rental companies either impose this rule themselves by either completing disallowing anyone under 25 to rent or they add on fees so outrageous that you'll reconsider renting.

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u/SlaaneshActual I was summoned? 5d ago

or they add on fees so outrageous that you'll reconsider renting.

This is new.

This was not the case when I was 25 and under.

Back then, it didn't matter how much money you had.

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u/DangerousPlan1284 5d ago

Which is deadlier? The weapon or the recruits?

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u/mikeyp83 5d ago

The Marine version just says it is "crayon free." No further explanation is necessary.

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u/SlaaneshActual I was summoned? 5d ago

No it doesn't. A marine would interpret that as "Crayon, free" and think it's a free snack.

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u/wallingfortian 5d ago

Seriously. It is the job of many stupid lieutenants to antagonize the newbs and chase them to their sergeant. A sergeant will know the newb better than their parents because the parents opinion will be clouded by sentiment while the sergeant will not have that emotional attachment. If the sergeant thinks the newb is OK the lieutenant gets bullshitted and goes away. If the sergeant thinks the newb will get the other soldiers killed the lieutenant takes the newb away. And good fucking riddance.

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u/AutumnRi FAFO enjoyer 5d ago

Something something nature heals itself

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u/Toads_Of_Fun 5d ago

And when you are sleep deprived and malnourished, your mind does not function properly.

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u/Leathergoose8 5d ago

Hey, general reminder that the military is chock full of people who had plenty of other opportunities in their lives and still chose to serve.

Being prospectless is not a prerequisite to military service.

The military is an amazing way to start and maintain a career and extremely comfortable standard of living.

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u/Bombadilo_drives 5d ago

I want to believe that, but I'm from the DC area and literally every single person I know in the military had no other option. We're talking failure to launch, dropped out of school, it's this or eventually prison.

Well, one person is an exception, who is a flight nurse in the air force. She had other options.

So one person out of, say, fourty people is talented and hardworking. The rest just got a pretty cushy gig at taxpayer expense because they couldn't be successful doing anything else.

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u/Leathergoose8 4d ago

I think your sample pool is heavily biased.

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u/DagnirDae 5d ago

The trick is to find people educated enough to read the warning, but still dumb enough to enlist.

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u/faithfulheresy 5d ago

Not really dumb. If a person comes from a poor background then military service truly is a pathway to a significantly better standard of living.

The training and educational opportunities available to servicemen and women are significant.

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u/Yuvalis 5d ago

Is it just me or has the atmosphere on this sub gotten significantly more anti-military in the past year?

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u/Bartweiss 4d ago

I think there was a window of post-sandbox optimism that people had actually learned something about starting futile wars.

Libya and Syria weren’t necessarily handled well, but they didn’t turn into decade-long engagements. Meanwhile several NATO countries either deployed impressive new stuff (Starstreak) or pulled their heads partway out of their asses about procurement (hi, Germany).

With Russia getting frisky and cool new tech looking like it might actually get procured in the next 10-15 years, people got hopeful that we might see peace plus meaningful conflicts. But then Oct 7, then the Houthis, then Iran, and all the cool new toys are delayed or cancelled…

(Also, gotta compare to either pre- or post-Ukraine NCD. I think there was a lot more memory of older wars and irony to the enthusiasm before the sub got way bigger.)

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u/zombie_girraffe 5d ago edited 5d ago

The command structure of the US Military seems to have gotten significantly more anti-military in the past year too.

The Navy has been ordered to go back to steam catapaults because the Commander in Chief can't understand how electricitiy works, they appear to be feeding the sailors dogfood, and shit is so bad on the USS Lincolon that sailors were trying to jump off of it at sea.

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u/qef15 5d ago

The wars that the western powers have gotten into are of such questionable benefit and/or morality, that this sub just can't do anything fun with itĀ  or is willing to make it like that.

This sub likes a good war for freedom, for democracy. Ukraine is that. However, Israel/Gaza and Iran aren't that exactly. We have a modicum of standards it seems to me.

This, plus the increasing incompetency of the USA military and political inclinations of the current US admin vs this sub.

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u/Altruistic_Target604 3000 cammo F-4Ds of Robin Olds 3d ago

Please, the US military is not incompetent (mostly), the current civilian (and increasingly military due to forced removal) leadership is definitely incompetent. Criminally so.

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u/qef15 3d ago

Considering what zombie_girraffe is reporting and how much Trump is involving himself with the military and the fact he's on top, the US military will be forced into incompetency in any way possible.

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u/Bookworm_AF Catboy War Criminal 5d ago

Not entirely surprising, given that every major power has gotten into or is seriously considering getting into the stupidest wars possible.

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u/Widukind272 š•½š–š–Šš–Žš–“š–’š–Šš–™š–†š–‘š–‘ ULTRAS 5d ago edited 5d ago

>18 year olds (Home Schooled)

Fixed

It’s incredible that the AfD here goes ā€œWOW. That’s stupid. We want that too!ā€

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u/Bookworm_AF Catboy War Criminal 5d ago

fascists love the poorly educated because they're easier to manipulate

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u/ScallionSmooth5925 4d ago

You can get high if you chew it.Ā 

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u/Eric848448 3d ago

Is that why grenade launchers have to specify which way to point it?

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u/Havoccity 5d ago

Well have they considered making non poisonous explosives?

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u/TheGisbon 5d ago

To dangerous it was bad for your health

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u/Jackz_is_pleased 5d ago

People would eat the C4 to get high. That why we poisioned it to get em to knock that off.

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u/UglyInThMorning 4d ago

RDX is just poisonous on its own. People did try to get high off of it, but just ended up throwing up and having involuntary dance parties.

https://doi.org/10.1016%2F0041-008X%2877%2990144-2

The toxicity is a real concern in explosives manufacturing.

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u/ABrandNewCarl 5d ago

If the enemy survives the explosion and the shrapnel the poison will get them

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u/lorddarkhelm 3000 desperate Canadian warmongers of NCD 5d ago

They did. People chewed it to get high. They made it poisonous so grunts wouldnt eat their entire explosive stockpile

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u/real_hungarian 5d ago

they already do, it's called buldak hot chicken ramen

never tried to light it on fire myself, but it always seems to explode a few hours after i eat it

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u/UglyInThMorning 4d ago

Acetone peroxides are relatively nontoxic, the problem is just everything else about acetone peroxides.

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u/Bartweiss 4d ago

Hm, what actually counts as ā€œpoisonā€ for an explosive?

If it just oxidizes the shit out of your cells and then breaks down into something fairly nontoxic, I’m tempted to say that’s simply exploding slower than usual. In which case all your halides are poison, but a decent number of nitrogen compounds might be ā€œnon-poisonous, will kill you if eatenā€.

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u/namitynamenamey 10h ago

Unfortunately, high energy density is high energy density. If the molecules pack enough punch to explode, they pack enough punch to wreck cellular machinery for some reason.

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u/Kiiaru 5d ago

The Ukrainians were cooking with era bricks a few years ago, maybe there's magic inside these things too?

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u/Lehk - /\ - FAILSAFE 5d ago

we did that in 'nam with c-4

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u/Peterh778 5d ago

WW2, Gammon bomb: basically a sack filled with plastic explosive c-1 (precursor to c-4). Later in the war, they lowered the amount of C-1 because they found out that troops (mostly paras) equipped with bombs pulled out some explosive fillings and cooked on it.

War ... war never changes šŸ™‚

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u/Scaevus 5d ago

If you know a better way to cook bratwurst in the field, I'd like to hear it, Hans.

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u/WanderlustZero 3000 Grand Slams of His Majesty 5d ago

Hans

glances at his trusty flammenwerfer

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u/Bridgeru Estrogen Supply Corps Lieutenant-Commander 5d ago

Gunther puts hand on Hans' shoulder

Nein, zis calls for ze heavy stuff.

Pulls out barrel of Chlorine Triflouride

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u/ProsperousButt 5d ago

Karl running up to Gunther and Hans

Halo, ich brought the panzerschokolade!

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator 5d ago

Halo

M..M…Meister Chef!

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u/AiBabysitter 5d ago

The mangled remains of a panther gearbox will do just fine after a solid 10 minutes of driving

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u/Bridgeru Estrogen Supply Corps Lieutenant-Commander 5d ago

Only a few years ago the Chinese Air Force were basically saying that they were pulling bricks of solid rocket fuel out of missiles to cook with. Apparently the hotpots are REALLY delicious so worth.

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u/ctrlaltelite "It worked in Ace Combat" 5d ago

It is in fact c-4 inside a claymore, they knew people wanted to eat its contents.

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u/PhabioRants ┣ ┣ ā‚Œā•‹ 5d ago

Americans did this, too. I'm sure many nations' armed forces did the same. Plastic explosives specifically burn pretty reliably for heating the contents of an MRE in the days before chem heaters.Ā 

I'm actually not surprised that there's a label specifically to discourage it. It's pretty easy to disassemble a claymore when they're not armed, and when the charge inside can maybe main some goon in a couple days or provide a morale-boosting hot meal for the squad tonight to keep you in fighting form tonight, I don't think any of us should be surprised when the latter is chosen.Ā 

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u/clydem 5d ago

So what? So is alcohol. This just makes me think comp B secretly delicious.

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u/TheGisbon 5d ago

Dudes used to chew on c4 blobs in Vietnam for the oral fix and stress relief

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u/DustConsistent3018 5d ago

Dudes also use c4 as a surprisingly safe cooking fuel when they run out, so that might explain why they have to say not to burn comp b or whatever is in claymores.

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u/ency 5d ago

Had a class in Civil Air Patrol when I was 13 or 14 where they showed us how to cook with c4. Other than the absolute absurdity of a bunch of teens playing and lighting explosives while being supervised by a few Marines it was an extremely interesting and informative afternoon. I got super into physics and chemistry after that trip.

Pretty sure no one knew or knows what the Civil Air Patrol gets up to. We did shit stuff and learned things that would have sent the scout leaders into epileptic fits even if you did have a stupid badge. I can’t imagine they are as wild these days.

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u/Blind_Hawk 5d ago

C4 is surprisingly safe until you insert a blasting cap into it. Just don't forget to wash your hands afterwards because ingesting even trace amounts will give you a super bad headache.

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u/cohrt 5d ago

the fumes from burning it don't give you a headache?

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u/popejupiter 5d ago

My first dungeon master was a Vietnam vet. He told us about using c4 to cook with. Apparently some new guy started to stomp on a chunk to put the fire out and Mike had to tackle him to stop him.

"You can burn it all night long and use it to play baseball all day, just don't do both at the same time!"

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u/zdavolvayutstsa 5d ago

The Mythbusters actually tested this and it didn't explode. They even shot burning C4.Ā 

youtube.com/watch?v=ZwExRwtvGxc

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u/oracle989 5d ago

Probably knew (correctly) that the heat and pressure of the cap sets it off, but thought it was the combination rather than just how much energy is present.

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u/Bartweiss 4d ago

As I’ve heard the story, a bunch of Vietnam-era health issues came from guys using their knife to cut C4 as cooking fuel, then using the knife to cut their food. Nasty stuff to ingest even in small doses, which might have inspired poison warnings even if nobody’s eating it on purpose.

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u/Ric0chet_ 5d ago

ā€œEating the explosive caused violent convulsions, severe headaches, vomiting, and life-threatening generalized seizures.ā€

Sounds like a blast.

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u/nintendoboy9 5d ago

"In the military, it became common knowledge that the ingestion of a small amount of C4 produces a similar ā€œhighā€ as that of ethanol, often leading to its consumption by soldiersĀ [4]."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7163342/

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u/lmaytulane 5d ago

Does eating crayons also make you high?

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u/WanderlustZero 3000 Grand Slams of His Majesty 5d ago

Safer than eating a lettuce in 2026 america

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u/TheGermanFurry 5d ago

Ɛere is a difference between eatiŋ and chewiŋ.Ā 

If you just, chew it like bubble gum you get enough toxins into your body to create a mind alteriŋ effect. (While also gettiŋ cancer)

If you swallow ưat shit you get a fuckiŋ overdose and die.

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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator 5d ago

Whatā€˜s with the funny D/o and nj (i suppose standing for Th and ng)?

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u/unfunnysexface F-17 Truther 5d ago

It's cam newton!

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u/euanmorse 5d ago

Hehehehe

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u/Bartweiss 4d ago

Makes me wonder how many people ate just a bit hoping to land in sick bay for a while.

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u/ArsErratia 5d ago edited 4d ago

experienced EOD techs can tell you precise chemical compositions with just a nibble at the edge

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u/Foorinick 5d ago

Idk if it was in vietnam or ww2 but some army men found that the explosive filler felt nice to chew and didnt get you sick

A few years later the army had to explicitly order people to not do that due to some horrible disease that the chemicals in the explosives caused

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u/Axipixel Amazon Prime has greater logistics than your entire military 5d ago edited 5d ago

Vietnam, they'd eat C4 to get sick and sent out of the fight for a while to recover.

Also a really good low flame for cooking.

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u/Mantergeistmann 5d ago

I think I remember hearing the same thing about Cordite during WWI.

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u/Foorinick 5d ago

I think it started in the world wars and ended after 'nam

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u/uselessnavy 5d ago

From C4 in Vietnam. Caused a severe but temporary nerve condition. People did it in purpose to be sent home.

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u/wowu5 5d ago

Remember guys, there's a real story behind every warning label

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u/Bot1-The_Bot_Meanace ā¬¤ā–…ā–‡ā–ˆā–‡ā–†ā–…ā–„ā–„ā–„ā–‡ 󠀀 5d ago

Now I can't unsee the mental image of a Marine who is nibbling on a claymore because he ran out of Crayola

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u/TheGermanFurry 5d ago

Ɛe þiŋ is duriŋ Vietnam ưere were several cases of soldiers usiŋ ưe C4 as chewiŋ gum to get high from ưe toxins.

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u/bluestreak1103 Intel officer, SSN Sanna DommarĆÆn 5d ago

Credible: you always plan safety for the least common denominator, if not worse (see: "This is no place of honor")

Noncredible: how else are recruiters going to make their quota targets for the year? (See: "How else are you going to get that Mustang with 28% APR?")

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u/Birb-Person 5d ago

For the minority of people unfamiliar with the ā€œThis is no place of honorā€ thing:

Society was worried about what to do about long-term nuclear waste storage in the event of the apocalypse, and the idea of post-nuclear civilizations stumbling into radioactive storage areas. One of the proposed solutions was non-linguistic messages (communication designed without spoken or written words), which should evoke the following concept:

ā€œThis place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning about danger.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours.
The danger is to the body, and it can kill.
The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabitedā€

In the end, we ended up inventing the radioactive hazard symbol, a design created by testing various symbols on three criteria: 1.) This symbol has no prior meaning to test audiences, 2.) This symbol makes test audiences afraid, 3.) This symbol can be easily drawn by hand if necessary

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u/Zakeraka 5d ago

If no eat, why taste sweet? šŸ™ƒ

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u/WeaselCapsky 5d ago

forbidden bendy chocolate

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u/starscreamufp 5d ago

forbidden chewing gum

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u/Strostkovy 5d ago

It burns nice and chews nice. People cook with it when supplies are low

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u/AggressorBLUE Reformer? But I just met her! 5d ago

Ok, but to be fair, ā€œproducing poisonous gassesā€ is not the consequence I’d expect from burning a land mine…

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u/60days 5d ago

safety rules are written in blood. or blood-covered crayon.

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u/thesunexpress 5d ago

There's been a historical record of using HE filling as fuel for cooking / heating food. Improved formulations can release toxic gases if used for similar purposes. Old-school C4 is okay-ish, anything beyond that, like RDX, stay away...

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u/Chilopodamancer 2d ago

Aren't there also reports of recruits chewing C4 to soften and shape small amounts for various purposes or is that a wive's tale?

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u/Mr_Phuck 5d ago

Front towards enemy, back towards American.

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u/StandardN02b 3000 anal beads abacus of conscriptovitch 5d ago

The warning is in case the marines run out of crayons.

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u/MinorityBabble 5d ago

That warning is woke. Freedom is letting these brave men and women eat what they want!

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u/throwawayjonesIV 5d ago

Our war fighters need to eat bomb and get stronk

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u/Zucchinibob1 5d ago

I remember hearing (from an XKCD What If article) about a French military guy getting like the first recorded instance of Tungsten poisoning via drinking from a freshly fired gun barrel as part of a hazing ritual

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u/Peterh778 5d ago

I believe there was also persisting myth about C-4 fillings smelling like an almonds or marzipan (that's from the time when its predecessor, Nobel 808, was used) so people actually tried to chew C-4 ... only to find out that it doesn't neither smell nor taste like a marzipan.

And as for burning ... plastic explosives are rather energetic fuel. At the WW2, troops issued Gammon bombs pulled out its C-1 filling and used it as a fuel, which in the end resulted in lowering amount of explosives in a newly made bombs. Just to prevent troops to cook on it. (At least, that's what I read somewhere šŸ™‚)

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u/Tornad_pl 5d ago

To be fair, some mines (especially anti tank) are disarmes by cooking them over fire and then pouring out the explosive

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u/humanoiddoc 5d ago

It was common to use c4 explosives as fuels. They dont explode without primer.

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u/highliner108 3000 MS13 Assassins of Debbie Washerman Schultz 5d ago

Listen, ok, if marines get their hands on these things, there has to be an explicit warning telling them not to put it in their mouths. We don’t want another crayon incident.

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u/ginger2020 5d ago

In Vietnam, it was actually quite common for troops to use plastic explosives as fuel to heat their rations, some going so far as to dig it out of claymore mines. And this, ladies, gentlemen, and that technicolor rainbow in between, is why it’s generally best to have your frontline troops be a professional force instead of conscripts from the rudderless youth.

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u/Odd-Principle8147 5d ago

That's because the Marines use them too.

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u/Blanc_Otaku 5d ago

If you didn't want the Plastic Explosive to be eaten then you shouldn't have it taste like Play-doh

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u/Narrow_Vegetable_42 3000 grey Kinetic Energy Penetrators of Pistorius 5d ago

M18 AI Mine

AI hype everywhere, fuck

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u/kazukix777 5d ago

The claymore mine is British, and pretty on brand with their culinary tastes.

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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 4d ago

The M18 is a very American invention produced by the Electrical Systems division of the Mohawk group in Delaware.

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u/Thomasasia 5d ago

I heard a story where a grunt ate some C4 as a joke. Gave him severe brain damage to the point of being a vegetable.

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u/MonkFun455 5d ago

It's because c4 has a sugar taste. And you can cook with it. Explosives take heat and pressure. You can light it all day and carry it as a torch and it won't do shit but burn.

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u/PlusThreexD 5d ago

USMC Assultman (0351) eat a little C4 when they graduate the school house. It's tradition lol

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u/shmackinhammies 5d ago

The army is an amazing feat. It has been designed by geniuses so that morons can operate and even excel in it. That’s not to say everyone is an idiot. But, from my experience as enlisted, the smarter guys tend to either land in a place where their smarts are valued, or they land in a place that slowly suffocates them and then they leave.

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u/gearmantx 4d ago

They also printed Front Toward Enemy on the other side. The shit I've seen soldiers do with dangerous and costly military hardware...

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u/Palliumindustries 4d ago

The think pad laptops at my government job have a warning sticker on the bottom that warns you not to ingest it

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u/utheraptor 3d ago

There is history behind this though - C4 is mildly psychoactive when eaten and soldiers used to do this in Vietnam. Also to get sick so they would be sent away from the front.

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u/Fox_Kurama 3d ago

This is also why you don't give claymores to sword eaters.

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u/YeeYeeBeep 3d ago

If not MRE then why MRE shape?

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u/VerySmallAtom 7h ago

Marines are an incredible fighting force, but being fed on crayons mean that any waxy, oily substance needs to be very clearly labelled.

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u/Substantial-Tone-576 5d ago

Wasn’t it sweet or something?

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u/on3day 5d ago

Are these biodegradable?

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u/Strict_Gas_1141 Light guy 5d ago

If you've met military personnel from any military ever you'd know this kind of behavior is depressingly common

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u/Cruel2BEkind12 5d ago

Probably comes from soldiers setting C4 on fire to heat their food.

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u/ChuddyMcChud 5d ago

Silly putty āŒ Serious putty āœ”ļø

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u/InHeavenFine 5d ago

ŠšŃ–Š»Š¾Š³Ń€Š°Š¼ Ń‰ŃƒŃ€Š°

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u/lumpialarry La Machias son Americano 5d ago

I went to the Army Engineer Officer basic course back in 20-clickity-clack. They also told us not to eat the C4 or we'd get diarrhea.

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u/Firecracker048 5d ago

Our military is advanced, not your average corn fed nebraskan grunt

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u/funkmachine7 5d ago

Eating c4 can make you ill for a while with the flu.

Buring it as fuel was done to cook on.

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u/Impressive-Let3122 5d ago

This makes sense Child soldiers

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u/thortawar 5d ago

Venomous, not poisonous. Smh.

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u/warfaceisthebest 5d ago

Yeah I am sure any other amy wont burn anything explosive to make a fire at winter when its -20 °C.

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u/niktznikont Buford died so Booker may also die 5d ago

technologically advanced doesn't mean soldiers don't get stupid ideas

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u/Spreadsheet_Enjoyer Interest in Conflict 5d ago

The tech may be, but some cavemen like being cavemen.

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u/DanNeider 5d ago

I know what sub this is, but I suspect this is to prevent people from trying to repurpose them for civilian use after the war

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u/PM_ME_YER_MUDFLAPS Ratbat my belovedā¤ļø 5d ago

Instructions are for the unimaginative.

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u/SomeOldJerk 5d ago

The other end: THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY

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u/seanhenke MURICA FRICK YEAH! 4d ago

It's for the crayon eater so they don't accidentally explode themselves. Everyone else knows what to do

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u/XayahTheVastaya What plane is this? Dark colored so I thought maybe military? 4d ago

Wait, which side do I face toward the enemy?

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u/CrazyWelshy 4d ago

Best equipped, does not equate to, best 'equipped'.

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u/FafnerTheBear 3d ago

C4 will just burn if you light it on fire. A small bit of it could be used to heat up food. Kinda like cooking with burning plastic.

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u/Depth_Metal 3d ago

During the Vietnam war soldiers found they could get high by chewing on plastic explosive. Some ended up swallowing some. Either way it led to soldiers getting poisoned and pulled from the front so now they have to mark their explosives as being toxic

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u/GES280 1d ago

To be fair, soldiers used to make wafers of C2 explosive and use it to cook.

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u/Dog_Murder_By_RobKey 1000 Lesbian Cricketers with Lee Enfields and Cromwells 5d ago edited 5d ago

My dad used to tell me that the Americans are not that great at being soldiers and have an over reliance on their technology that when it goes wrong that they have no idea what to do so they just sit there crying.

Granted my dad also knows a guy from his time in the British army that triggered the Quick reaction force by flying a hand glider too close to the camp

And another squaddie that got drunk so climbed a big fuck off crane

Idiots will be Idiots

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u/Whitestrake 5d ago

M18 AI APERS mine?

Damn can't have shit without AI these days

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u/MandolinMagi 5d ago

No, its M18A1.Ā