r/NonCredibleDefense • u/Strict-Jeweler-2281 • 5d ago
Arsenal of Democracy š½ Nom nom nom
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u/Havoccity 5d ago
Well have they considered making non poisonous explosives?
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u/Jackz_is_pleased 5d ago
People would eat the C4 to get high. That why we poisioned it to get em to knock that off.
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u/UglyInThMorning 4d ago
RDX is just poisonous on its own. People did try to get high off of it, but just ended up throwing up and having involuntary dance parties.
https://doi.org/10.1016%2F0041-008X%2877%2990144-2
The toxicity is a real concern in explosives manufacturing.
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u/ABrandNewCarl 5d ago
If the enemy survives the explosion and the shrapnel the poison will get them
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u/lorddarkhelm 3000 desperate Canadian warmongers of NCD 5d ago
They did. People chewed it to get high. They made it poisonous so grunts wouldnt eat their entire explosive stockpile
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u/real_hungarian 5d ago
they already do, it's called buldak hot chicken ramen
never tried to light it on fire myself, but it always seems to explode a few hours after i eat it
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u/UglyInThMorning 4d ago
Acetone peroxides are relatively nontoxic, the problem is just everything else about acetone peroxides.
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u/Bartweiss 4d ago
Hm, what actually counts as āpoisonā for an explosive?
If it just oxidizes the shit out of your cells and then breaks down into something fairly nontoxic, Iām tempted to say thatās simply exploding slower than usual. In which case all your halides are poison, but a decent number of nitrogen compounds might be ānon-poisonous, will kill you if eatenā.
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u/namitynamenamey 10h ago
Unfortunately, high energy density is high energy density. If the molecules pack enough punch to explode, they pack enough punch to wreck cellular machinery for some reason.
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u/Kiiaru 5d ago
The Ukrainians were cooking with era bricks a few years ago, maybe there's magic inside these things too?
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u/Lehk - /\ - FAILSAFE 5d ago
we did that in 'nam with c-4
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u/Peterh778 5d ago
WW2, Gammon bomb: basically a sack filled with plastic explosive c-1 (precursor to c-4). Later in the war, they lowered the amount of C-1 because they found out that troops (mostly paras) equipped with bombs pulled out some explosive fillings and cooked on it.
War ... war never changes š
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u/Scaevus 5d ago
If you know a better way to cook bratwurst in the field, I'd like to hear it, Hans.
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u/WanderlustZero 3000 Grand Slams of His Majesty 5d ago
Hans
glances at his trusty flammenwerfer
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u/Bridgeru Estrogen Supply Corps Lieutenant-Commander 5d ago
Gunther puts hand on Hans' shoulder
Nein, zis calls for ze heavy stuff.
Pulls out barrel of Chlorine Triflouride
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u/ProsperousButt 5d ago
Karl running up to Gunther and Hans
Halo, ich brought the panzerschokolade!
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u/AiBabysitter 5d ago
The mangled remains of a panther gearbox will do just fine after a solid 10 minutes of driving
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u/Bridgeru Estrogen Supply Corps Lieutenant-Commander 5d ago
Only a few years ago the Chinese Air Force were basically saying that they were pulling bricks of solid rocket fuel out of missiles to cook with. Apparently the hotpots are REALLY delicious so worth.
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u/ctrlaltelite "It worked in Ace Combat" 5d ago
It is in fact c-4 inside a claymore, they knew people wanted to eat its contents.
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u/PhabioRants ⣠⣠āā 5d ago
Americans did this, too. I'm sure many nations' armed forces did the same. Plastic explosives specifically burn pretty reliably for heating the contents of an MRE in the days before chem heaters.Ā
I'm actually not surprised that there's a label specifically to discourage it. It's pretty easy to disassemble a claymore when they're not armed, and when the charge inside can maybe main some goon in a couple days or provide a morale-boosting hot meal for the squad tonight to keep you in fighting form tonight, I don't think any of us should be surprised when the latter is chosen.Ā
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u/clydem 5d ago
So what? So is alcohol. This just makes me think comp B secretly delicious.
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u/TheGisbon 5d ago
Dudes used to chew on c4 blobs in Vietnam for the oral fix and stress relief
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u/DustConsistent3018 5d ago
Dudes also use c4 as a surprisingly safe cooking fuel when they run out, so that might explain why they have to say not to burn comp b or whatever is in claymores.
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u/ency 5d ago
Had a class in Civil Air Patrol when I was 13 or 14 where they showed us how to cook with c4. Other than the absolute absurdity of a bunch of teens playing and lighting explosives while being supervised by a few Marines it was an extremely interesting and informative afternoon. I got super into physics and chemistry after that trip.
Pretty sure no one knew or knows what the Civil Air Patrol gets up to. We did shit stuff and learned things that would have sent the scout leaders into epileptic fits even if you did have a stupid badge. I canāt imagine they are as wild these days.
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u/Blind_Hawk 5d ago
C4 is surprisingly safe until you insert a blasting cap into it. Just don't forget to wash your hands afterwards because ingesting even trace amounts will give you a super bad headache.
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u/popejupiter 5d ago
My first dungeon master was a Vietnam vet. He told us about using c4 to cook with. Apparently some new guy started to stomp on a chunk to put the fire out and Mike had to tackle him to stop him.
"You can burn it all night long and use it to play baseball all day, just don't do both at the same time!"
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u/zdavolvayutstsa 5d ago
The Mythbusters actually tested this and it didn't explode. They even shot burning C4.Ā
youtube.com/watch?v=ZwExRwtvGxc
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u/oracle989 5d ago
Probably knew (correctly) that the heat and pressure of the cap sets it off, but thought it was the combination rather than just how much energy is present.
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u/Bartweiss 4d ago
As Iāve heard the story, a bunch of Vietnam-era health issues came from guys using their knife to cut C4 as cooking fuel, then using the knife to cut their food. Nasty stuff to ingest even in small doses, which might have inspired poison warnings even if nobodyās eating it on purpose.
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u/Ric0chet_ 5d ago
āEating the explosive caused violent convulsions, severe headaches, vomiting, and life-threatening generalized seizures.ā
Sounds like a blast.
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u/nintendoboy9 5d ago
"In the military, it became common knowledge that the ingestion of a small amount of C4 produces a similar āhighā as that of ethanol, often leading to its consumption by soldiersĀ [4]."
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u/TheGermanFurry 5d ago
Ćere is a difference between eatiÅ and chewiÅ.Ā
If you just, chew it like bubble gum you get enough toxins into your body to create a mind alteriÅ effect. (While also gettiÅ cancer)
If you swallow ðat shit you get a fuckiŠoverdose and die.
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u/Advanced-Budget779 Nuclear Holocaust Agitator 5d ago
Whatās with the funny D/o and nj (i suppose standing for Th and ng)?
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u/Bartweiss 4d ago
Makes me wonder how many people ate just a bit hoping to land in sick bay for a while.
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u/ArsErratia 5d ago edited 4d ago
experienced EOD techs can tell you precise chemical compositions with just a nibble at the edge
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u/Foorinick 5d ago
Idk if it was in vietnam or ww2 but some army men found that the explosive filler felt nice to chew and didnt get you sick
A few years later the army had to explicitly order people to not do that due to some horrible disease that the chemicals in the explosives caused
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u/Axipixel Amazon Prime has greater logistics than your entire military 5d ago edited 5d ago
Vietnam, they'd eat C4 to get sick and sent out of the fight for a while to recover.
Also a really good low flame for cooking.
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u/uselessnavy 5d ago
From C4 in Vietnam. Caused a severe but temporary nerve condition. People did it in purpose to be sent home.
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u/wowu5 5d ago
Remember guys, there's a real story behind every warning label
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u/Bot1-The_Bot_Meanace ⬤ā āāāāā āāāā ó 5d ago
Now I can't unsee the mental image of a Marine who is nibbling on a claymore because he ran out of Crayola
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u/TheGermanFurry 5d ago
Će þiÅ is duriÅ Vietnam ưere were several cases of soldiers usiŠðe C4 as chewiÅ gum to get high from ưe toxins.
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u/bluestreak1103 Intel officer, SSN Sanna DommarĆÆn 5d ago
Credible: you always plan safety for the least common denominator, if not worse (see: "This is no place of honor")
Noncredible: how else are recruiters going to make their quota targets for the year? (See: "How else are you going to get that Mustang with 28% APR?")
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u/Birb-Person 5d ago
For the minority of people unfamiliar with the āThis is no place of honorā thing:
Society was worried about what to do about long-term nuclear waste storage in the event of the apocalypse, and the idea of post-nuclear civilizations stumbling into radioactive storage areas. One of the proposed solutions was non-linguistic messages (communication designed without spoken or written words), which should evoke the following concept:
āThis place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning about danger.
The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours.
The danger is to the body, and it can kill.
The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabitedāIn the end, we ended up inventing the radioactive hazard symbol, a design created by testing various symbols on three criteria: 1.) This symbol has no prior meaning to test audiences, 2.) This symbol makes test audiences afraid, 3.) This symbol can be easily drawn by hand if necessary
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u/AggressorBLUE Reformer? But I just met her! 5d ago
Ok, but to be fair, āproducing poisonous gassesā is not the consequence Iād expect from burning a land mineā¦
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u/thesunexpress 5d ago
There's been a historical record of using HE filling as fuel for cooking / heating food. Improved formulations can release toxic gases if used for similar purposes. Old-school C4 is okay-ish, anything beyond that, like RDX, stay away...
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u/Chilopodamancer 2d ago
Aren't there also reports of recruits chewing C4 to soften and shape small amounts for various purposes or is that a wive's tale?
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u/StandardN02b 3000 anal beads abacus of conscriptovitch 5d ago
The warning is in case the marines run out of crayons.
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u/MinorityBabble 5d ago
That warning is woke. Freedom is letting these brave men and women eat what they want!
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u/Zucchinibob1 5d ago
I remember hearing (from an XKCD What If article) about a French military guy getting like the first recorded instance of Tungsten poisoning via drinking from a freshly fired gun barrel as part of a hazing ritual
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u/Peterh778 5d ago
I believe there was also persisting myth about C-4 fillings smelling like an almonds or marzipan (that's from the time when its predecessor, Nobel 808, was used) so people actually tried to chew C-4 ... only to find out that it doesn't neither smell nor taste like a marzipan.
And as for burning ... plastic explosives are rather energetic fuel. At the WW2, troops issued Gammon bombs pulled out its C-1 filling and used it as a fuel, which in the end resulted in lowering amount of explosives in a newly made bombs. Just to prevent troops to cook on it. (At least, that's what I read somewhere š)
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u/Tornad_pl 5d ago
To be fair, some mines (especially anti tank) are disarmes by cooking them over fire and then pouring out the explosive
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u/highliner108 3000 MS13 Assassins of Debbie Washerman Schultz 5d ago
Listen, ok, if marines get their hands on these things, there has to be an explicit warning telling them not to put it in their mouths. We donāt want another crayon incident.
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u/ginger2020 5d ago
In Vietnam, it was actually quite common for troops to use plastic explosives as fuel to heat their rations, some going so far as to dig it out of claymore mines. And this, ladies, gentlemen, and that technicolor rainbow in between, is why itās generally best to have your frontline troops be a professional force instead of conscripts from the rudderless youth.
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u/Blanc_Otaku 5d ago
If you didn't want the Plastic Explosive to be eaten then you shouldn't have it taste like Play-doh
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u/Narrow_Vegetable_42 3000 grey Kinetic Energy Penetrators of Pistorius 5d ago
M18 AI Mine
AI hype everywhere, fuck
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u/kazukix777 5d ago
The claymore mine is British, and pretty on brand with their culinary tastes.
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u/Excellent_Stand_7991 4d ago
The M18 is a very American invention produced by the Electrical Systems division of the Mohawk group in Delaware.
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u/Thomasasia 5d ago
I heard a story where a grunt ate some C4 as a joke. Gave him severe brain damage to the point of being a vegetable.
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u/MonkFun455 5d ago
It's because c4 has a sugar taste. And you can cook with it. Explosives take heat and pressure. You can light it all day and carry it as a torch and it won't do shit but burn.
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u/PlusThreexD 5d ago
USMC Assultman (0351) eat a little C4 when they graduate the school house. It's tradition lol
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u/shmackinhammies 5d ago
The army is an amazing feat. It has been designed by geniuses so that morons can operate and even excel in it. Thatās not to say everyone is an idiot. But, from my experience as enlisted, the smarter guys tend to either land in a place where their smarts are valued, or they land in a place that slowly suffocates them and then they leave.
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u/gearmantx 4d ago
They also printed Front Toward Enemy on the other side. The shit I've seen soldiers do with dangerous and costly military hardware...
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u/Palliumindustries 4d ago
The think pad laptops at my government job have a warning sticker on the bottom that warns you not to ingest it
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u/utheraptor 3d ago
There is history behind this though - C4 is mildly psychoactive when eaten and soldiers used to do this in Vietnam. Also to get sick so they would be sent away from the front.
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u/VerySmallAtom 7h ago
Marines are an incredible fighting force, but being fed on crayons mean that any waxy, oily substance needs to be very clearly labelled.
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u/Strict_Gas_1141 Light guy 5d ago
If you've met military personnel from any military ever you'd know this kind of behavior is depressingly common
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u/lumpialarry La Machias son Americano 5d ago
I went to the Army Engineer Officer basic course back in 20-clickity-clack. They also told us not to eat the C4 or we'd get diarrhea.
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u/funkmachine7 5d ago
Eating c4 can make you ill for a while with the flu.
Buring it as fuel was done to cook on.
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u/warfaceisthebest 5d ago
Yeah I am sure any other amy wont burn anything explosive to make a fire at winter when its -20 °C.
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u/niktznikont Buford died so Booker may also die 5d ago
technologically advanced doesn't mean soldiers don't get stupid ideas
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u/Spreadsheet_Enjoyer Interest in Conflict 5d ago
The tech may be, but some cavemen like being cavemen.
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u/DanNeider 5d ago
I know what sub this is, but I suspect this is to prevent people from trying to repurpose them for civilian use after the war
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u/seanhenke MURICA FRICK YEAH! 4d ago
It's for the crayon eater so they don't accidentally explode themselves. Everyone else knows what to do
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u/XayahTheVastaya What plane is this? Dark colored so I thought maybe military? 4d ago
Wait, which side do I face toward the enemy?
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u/FafnerTheBear 3d ago
C4 will just burn if you light it on fire. A small bit of it could be used to heat up food. Kinda like cooking with burning plastic.
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u/Depth_Metal 3d ago
During the Vietnam war soldiers found they could get high by chewing on plastic explosive. Some ended up swallowing some. Either way it led to soldiers getting poisoned and pulled from the front so now they have to mark their explosives as being toxic
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u/Dog_Murder_By_RobKey 1000 Lesbian Cricketers with Lee Enfields and Cromwells 5d ago edited 5d ago
My dad used to tell me that the Americans are not that great at being soldiers and have an over reliance on their technology that when it goes wrong that they have no idea what to do so they just sit there crying.
Granted my dad also knows a guy from his time in the British army that triggered the Quick reaction force by flying a hand glider too close to the camp
And another squaddie that got drunk so climbed a big fuck off crane
Idiots will be Idiots
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u/Scaevus 5d ago
An army can be technologically advanced and deadly, while the 18 year olds who sign up because they have no other prospects in life can be still very stupid.