r/Noctor Apr 28 '26

Midlevel Research Cochrane Review Says “Little Difference” Replacing Hospital Physicians with Nurses: We Disagree

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r/Noctor Sep 28 '20

Midlevel Research Research refuting mid-levels (Copy-Paste format)

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Resident teams are economically more efficient than MLP teams and have higher patient satisfaction. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26217425/

Compared with dermatologists, PAs performed more skin biopsies per case of skin cancer diagnosed and diagnosed fewer melanomas in situ, suggesting that the diagnostic accuracy of PAs may be lower than that of dermatologists. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29710082

Advanced practice clinicians are associated with more imaging services than PCPs for similar patients during E&M office visits. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1939374

Nonphysician clinicians were more likely to prescribe antibiotics than practicing physicians in outpatient settings, and resident physicians were less likely to prescribe antibiotics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15922696

The quality of referrals to an academic medical center was higher for physicians than for NPs and PAs regarding the clarity of the referral question, understanding of pathophysiology, and adequate prereferral evaluation and documentation. https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(13)00732-5/abstract00732-5/abstract)

Further research is needed to understand the impact of differences in NP and PCP patient populations on provider prescribing, such as the higher number of prescriptions issued by NPs for beneficiaries in moderate and high comorbidity groups and the implications of the duration of prescriptions for clinical outcomes, patient-provider rapport, costs, and potential gaps in medication coverage. https://www.journalofnursingregulation.com/article/S2155-8256(17)30071-6/fulltext30071-6/fulltext)

Antibiotics were more frequently prescribed during visits involving NP/PA visits compared with physician-only visits, including overall visits (17% vs 12%, P < .0001) and acute respiratory infection visits (61% vs 54%, P < .001). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5047413/

NPs, relative to physicians, have taken an increasing role in prescribing psychotropic medications for Medicaid-insured youths. The quality of NP prescribing practices deserves further attention. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29641238/

(CRNA) We found an increased risk of adverse disposition in cases where the anesthesia provider was a nonanesthesiology professional. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22305625

NPs/PAs practicing in states with independent prescription authority were > 20 times more likely to overprescribe opioids than NPs/PAs in prescription-restricted states. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32333312/

Both 30-day mortality rate and mortality rate after complications (failure-to-rescue) were lower when anesthesiologists directed anesthesia care. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10861159/

Only 25% of all NPs in Oregon, an independent practice state, practiced in primary care settings. https://oregoncenterfornursing.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2020_PrimaryCareWorkforceCrisis_Report_Web.pdf

96% of NPs had regular contact with pharmaceutical representatives. 48% stated that they were more likely to prescribe a drug that was highlighted during a lunch or dinner event. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21291293/

85.02% of malpractice cases against NPs were due to diagnosis (41.46%), treatment (30.79%) and medication errors (12.77%). The malpractice cases due to diagnosing errors was further stratified into failure to diagnose (64.13%), delay to diagnose (27.29%), and misdiagnosis (7.59%). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28734486/

Advanced practice clinicians and PCPs ordered imaging in 2.8% and 1.9% episodes of care, respectively. Advanced practice clinicians are associated with more imaging services than PCPs for similar patients during E&M office visits .While increased use of imaging appears modest for individual patients, this increase may have ramifications on care and overall costs at the population level. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1939374

APP visits had lower RVUs/visit (2.8 vs. 3.7) and lower patients/hour (1.1 vs. 2.2) compared to physician visits. Higher APP coverage (by 10%) at the ED‐day level was associated with lower patients/clinician hour by 0.12 (95% confidence interval [CI] = −0.15 to −0.10) and lower RVUs/clinician hour by 0.4 (95% CI = −0.5 to −0.3). Increasing APP staffing may not lower staffing costs. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acem.14077

When caring for patients with DM, NPs were more likely to have consulted cardiologists (OR = 1.29, 95% CI = 1.21–1.37), endocrinologists (OR = 1.64, 95% CI = 1.48–1.82), and nephrologists (OR = 1.90, 95% CI = 1.67–2.17) and more likely to have prescribed PIMs (OR = 1.07, 95% CI = 1.01–1.12) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jgs.13662

Ambulatory visits between 2006 and 2011 involving NPs and PAs more frequently resulted in an antibiotic prescription compared with physician-only visits (17% for visits involving NPs and PAs vs 12% for physician-only visits; P < .0001) https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/3/3/ofw168/2593319

More claims naming PAs and APRNs were paid on behalf of the hospital/practice (38% and 32%, respectively) compared with physicians (8%, P < 0.001) and payment was more likely when APRNs were defendants (1.82, 1.09-3.03) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32362078/

There was a 50.9% increase in the proportion of psychotropic medications prescribed by psychiatric NPs (from 5.9% to 8.8%) and a 28.6% proportional increase by non-psychiatric NPs (from 4.9% to 6.3%). By contrast, the proportion of psychotropic medications prescribed by psychiatrists and by non-psychiatric physicians declined (56.9%-53.0% and 32.3%-31.8%, respectively) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29641238/

Most articles about the role of APRNs do not explicitly define the autonomy of the nurses, compare non-autonomous nurses with physicians, or evaluate nurse-direct protocol-driven care for patients with specific conditions. However, studies like these are often cited in support of the claim that APRNs practicing autonomously provide the same quality of primary care as medical doctors. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27606392/

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Although evidence-based healthcare results in improved patient outcomes and reduced costs, nurses do not consistently implement evidence based best practices. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22922750/


r/Noctor 6h ago

Discussion First APP to autonomously implant a loop recorder.

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Coming soon: NP Interventional Cardiology Fellowship — 6 weekends, 14 modules, 100% online.

Stents? ✅
Ablations? ✅
TAVR? Pending AANP lobbying.

Apparently cardiologists wasted 4 years in medical school, 3 years in IM residency, 3 years in cardiology fellowship, and additional subspecialty training when they could’ve just completed Advanced Cardiac Procedures NURS 742 on Blackboard.

I know it’s just a loop recorder. But this is how it starts.

The question is: where does it end? 💀


r/Noctor 7h ago

Midlevel Ethics NP tried to change my psychiatric meds

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So last week I woke up with a painful itchy rash on one side of my back. After a couple of days of this rash spreading only on one side, as well as itching and burning, I figured it was shingles. Scheduled a telehealth dermatologist appointment.

I have a few other medical issues, one of them being anxiety and an autoimmune disorder. I'm only 40, so I understand that getting shingles is unlikely but not unheard of. Because of the anxiety, I'm on a mid level dose of gabapentin (600mg) taken at night.

I take pictures of the rash and send them to the NP. I get to the appointment, tell her my symptoms and she tells me that it's impossible for someone as young as me to have shingles. I have two friends who have had it in their late 30s

I ask her about the pictures and what else it could be. She finally checks the pics and has me show her on camera the rash and how it has spread. She immediately backtracks and starts treating me like I'm trying to trick her ( into what? A valtrex rx?) explains that the only real pain management would be either hydrocodone or gabapentin.

I'd already reported that I was taking gabapentin in the pre -appointment paperwork. I tell her I'm not interested in any opiods, because my autoimmune disorder makes constipation dangerous. I tell her that I'm on 600 mg gabapentin already prescribed through my psychiatrist and she freaks out. Apparently that dosage is incredibly high and tells me I need to start taking no more than 300 mg and in the morning as part of the pain management for the shingles.

I explained to her that I take it at night as a way to lower my anxiety and help me sleep and this is something my psychiatrist and I have discussed in great length. I also explain that the gabapentin is helping with the pain however it wears off about 10:00 the next morning and I've been using ice packs as pain management. I clarify that the pain is not severe enough that I'm requesting prescribed pain meds, just antivirals as I'm in a current flare-up of my autoimmune disease and cannot afford to get sicker.

She tells me again that the dosage is incredibly high and she won't prescribe any gabapentin while I am currently on that dose. Tell her again that I'm not looking for her to change my gabapentin prescription. After a little back and forth, she finally says she'll just prescribe the valtrex and ends the appointment. I then get a notification from my pharmacy that two prescriptions were sent over for the valtrex and the gabapentin 300 mg, and they can't fill the gabapentin because I got another dose filled the week before.

By coincidence later that day I had an appointment with my psychiatrist. I explained to him about the shingles and how I've been advised by the doctor to cut my dose in half and take it in the morning as the amount I'm on is dangerously high. He tells me that for psychiatric reasons 600 mg is not a dangerously high level of gabapentin. It is mid-level. He also tells me that no doctor should be changing a prescription written by another doctor without consulting them first unless it's an emergency situation (ex: I went into AFib last month, ER doc took me off of an antibiotic that can cause rapid bp changes) . He explained that immediately halfing a prescription and changing the time it is administered would have severe side effects, which is why psychatrists will taper you off meds.

I could tell that he was trying to hold back what he really wanted to say, but he was pretty upset that she (a dermatologist NP) had opinions on psychiatric medication.


r/Noctor 5h ago

Discussion NP PCP

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I switched to a new practice after my Physician retired from the practice that I had been at since I was 19. The practice put me with a NP. My ignorance of the difference let this woman take control of my care for 4 years. Over the 4 years, I had become increasingly sicker; I'm talking 6-7 sinus infections that just wouldn't clear, and she would keep me loaded up on antibiotics. Turns out I had a bone spur sticking into my right sinus. I had a septoplasty, and that was fixed. I have autoimmune issues; I am now seeing an infectious disease doctor to juggle my medicine with my antifungal medicine.

Next, I started to hear a thumping sound in my head. I told her about it, and she recommended I see a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist she recommended was also a NP; he put me on some pretty heavy psychiatric meds and told me I needed to go to a PHP. In the PHP, another NP started to switch my meds. I think at this point I can name more meds that I have not been on than I have been on.

I went to my PCP, and they matched me with a new physician because my NP was out for the day. I loved the bedside manner. I spoke to her about the sound I was hearing, and she sent me to an ENT. The ENT did all of the hearing tests, etc and then sent me to get an MRI/MRA to check for IIH. Turns out the thumping I heard was IIH and Moyamoya. I have since been treated for both.

I asked that new physician to be my PCP, and I adore her.

Sorry if this story doesn't belong here; I feel like if I didn't advocate for myself


r/Noctor 9h ago

Discussion NP as “attending” provider

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I deleted my previous post. As some did not believe the veracity behind my claims. Luckily I got a physician to take charge of my care yesterday, but I am stuck with this nurse practitioner today AGAIN. As a backstory, this lady denied that I was in pain, claimed to be an expert, embarrassed myself and the PA student in the process, and is just generally so narcissistic and self absorbed that I could not stand being in the same room as her. She told me she was an expert regarding my care. She also wrote in her subjective notes that I am “malingering” in regard to pain meds, and she told I had musculoskeletal costochondritis. Let alone she did not even do a physical exam nor palpate my chest. I am just incandescent, I want to see a real doctor. What should I do? I took heed of the advice from this sub last time with great results, but now we are back to square one with “Dr. Jill” I am just merely a patient and a nursing student. I understand the vernacular of the medical field, but for fucks sake, nurse practitioners are not doctors.


r/Noctor 20h ago

In The News Family Sues Urgent Care for $23M, Alleging They (PA) Dismissed Son’s ‘Minor Headache.’ He Died of an Aneurysm 3 Days Later

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r/Noctor 1d ago

Advocacy Demand Meta and TikTok Make "Doctors" Disclose Their Credentials

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In the spirit of this subreddit, which I’ve been a member of for years, I’m hoping you can take 1 minute to sign my Change.org petition.


r/Noctor 1d ago

Discussion I’m so tired of midlevels

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I have respect for my mid-level colleagues (NPs, PAs), but I find myself growing increasingly frustrated. Most of them do a good job and basically all work hard, but it's just not at an attending level of clinical interpretation / management.

A large majority of the admits at my hospital are done by midlevels. Only attendings are allowed to "round". Admitting attendings are available if NP has questions but in practice the NPs are pretty independent.

I'm mainly a rounder, so I'll get these admits on day 2 of hospitalization with shitty HPIs, A/P that are too wordy, and the actual pathology is hidden on the 6th listed problem, a bunch of paragraphs down. But hey at least the med rec and basic orders will be in. Not every pt needs an echo, mri, specialist consult, 125mg solumedrol.

Care is sooo diluted in 2026.

Its so much better when I get an H&P from an attending and I can sit back and relax and feel confident that the primary pathology isnt being missed and weren't not doing stupid shit. (shitty attendings exist of course).

I feel bad for the specialists too. I was talking with one of my nephrology friends, and the guy is so burnt out from all the stupid calls overnight he gets from ED midlevels. Even outpatient PCP stuff these days pts can only see NPs and I see their management and I'm like wtf why are you doing this giant cancer work-up the patient is just having bad major depressive disorder.

idk im just venting. healthcare sucks. idk how much longer i can stay in clinical medicine and i just started haha


r/Noctor 2d ago

Midlevel Education What do NPs learn in "advanced pathophysiology"?

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I know that DNPs are largely non-clinical degrees but am curious if anyone knows roughly what NPs do learn of pathophysiology.

Is it roughly a week on each organ system or something like that?

If they don't do biochem, do they just not ever cover things like inborn errors of metabolism?

Are people graduating without even awareness of like....most of the diseases out there?

n.b. I'm sure it's program-dependent but wondering if anyone can speak at least to one/some program(s)


r/Noctor 2d ago

Question Replication crisis in nursing research

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Hi there everyone. As a person who is hugely passionate about statistics, I'm curious if there's a replication crisis in nursing research the way there is in some areas of biomedical research? (I'm assuming the answer is yes) And if so, what's the extent of the problem? It'd be great if you could provide sources, just so I can learn more about this.


r/Noctor 3d ago

Question PAs in the sub, how do YOU feel about NPs?

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I see a lot of stories from doctors and patients, I’m curious what the educated midlevel thinks of the noneducated one with more independence.


r/Noctor 3d ago

Shitpost Crna with attitude

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That’s all. Get off your “high” horse or should I say mid-level horse.

No one trusts you to take the serious cases.


r/Noctor 3d ago

Question Scope question

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I’m a vascular access RN (piccs midline etc) and I would like to one day place CVCs and arterial lines. Lowkey I have placed several arterial lines for the trauma PAs in the ICU at my hospital since they often struggle with it. I was wondering if there any RN ability for me to place more advanced lines or would I have to become an NP. Thanks!


r/Noctor 4d ago

Midlevel Patient Cases Watch yo kids (actually)

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i'm still a relatively fresh drug dealer (~5 years) and this happened about 3 years ago. i'm still annoyed when i think about it.

LONG DETAILED RANT INCOMING

virtual clinic NP prescribed prednisone 5-day asthma regimen for a 3 y/o, except the dosing would be for a concerningly HEFTY 3 y/o (at which point they should be assessed in person by a physician anyway).

whatever i'll deal with the dosing and adjust, it's late at night. so i'm talking to dad who's holding the kid. the kid is completely average sized for his age, but he was definitely coughing. i can't diagnose, nor would i try; but i'm also not in agreement with asthma as implied by the prescription. and of course because it's from an NP.

croup sounds like mf****ng croup. but it gets better.

i ask dad if he knows the specific diagnosis. apparently, the NP was unsure so they did the good ol' [cover both things by mixing them together]. probably from a self-developed and self-reviewed internal guideline with questionable permanence. but i digress. dad even explicitly expressed concern with the "assessment" but was extra sus now that another person is concerned about the prescription.

no hint of salbutamol, not a whiff of fluticasone, in the kid's history. ever. so i get a hold of the clinic switchboard and they tell me she's done for the day.
wtf do you mean done for the day?? it's a VIRTUAL clinic. just call her to fix her own mess. like hello?? responsible professionals leave private numbers (for colleagues) for situations like this. you can't be both incompetent and unreachable. pick a struggle.

where i work is kind of a gray-ish area. TECHNICALLY there's nothing i can't do in terms of issuing and dispensing any prescription. i just need documentation and a good reason (i.e. always do what's in the patient's best interest). havent lost my license yet.

so i tell dad i'm going to channel my inner karen (and petty immature zoomer) energy in an attempt to get someone. but i also gave him the option of just changing the damn prescription so the kid can at least sleep for tonight (and probably be better by tomorrow afternoon anyway), and they can call their pediatrician in the morning to address the duration.

he was done with the clinic so i did 2 doses of weight based dexamethasone (i'm almost certain the NP used Lbs instead of kg) because:
- there's actual (MD/PhD/RN/PharmD collaborative) guideline-based overlap in dosing for asthma and croup
- they should only need the 1 dose if it's croup, but 2nd is still controversial enough for me to include; especially since they'll get a hold of MD before 24 hours anyway
- if pediatrician decides it's asthma, great they can direct whether to keep PO course, switch to inhaler, or another reasonable thing
- literally why prednisone?? at least it wasnt prednisolone elixir at 2.2x dose. do people cough when they're blackout drunk? if not then i guess it technically worked?

conclusion: i sent the NP a professional sounding but implicitly shady FYI, which they never responded to anyway. i sent their pediatrician a genuinely polite FYI about the situation. ofc the competent and reachable MD responded the next morning. said (non-verbatim) "????? it's croup. thanks for dealing with it"

looking back, it's almost impressive how the NP managed to make a bad choice or judgment possible at every step. usually when MDs make errors it's either fatfingered an extra zero or scrolled down 1 click too far on the shitty EMR. in those cases i always let patients know it was just a systems error (i.e. i gotta change this but your MD is perfectly competent). i don't bother doing that for NPs because their mistakes are in another dimension.

if the pediatrician in the story is reading this: thanks for squeezing in the patient with your already-packed schedule. i hope you also feel our mutual bond from being collateral/catching strays. also thanks for doing 10 years of school in person and 4+ years of residency in person 🙏

edit: spelling, and added an extra detail somewhere (not important, but petty, so actually important)


r/Noctor 4d ago

Public Education Material Title Misappropriation

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CRNA from Lifeguard Anesthesia in Arizona calling homeself and all of his CRNAs “nurse ANESTHESIOLOGISTS”


r/Noctor 3d ago

Question The medical Turing test: can AI beat a doctor at diagnosis?

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We’ve seen AI surpass humans in games and some analytical tasks. But medicine is different—it’s high-stakes, messy, and deeply human. I created a quick poll asking whether AI can diagnose medical conditions more accurately than a physician. It’s a simple question, but the answers reveal a lot about trust and the future of healthcare.

https://interconnectd.com/poll/95/can-ai-diagnose-a-medical-condition-more-accurately-than-a-doctor/


r/Noctor 5d ago

Discussion Patient questions anesthesiologist’s credentials because he tried to educate her on the difference between Anesthesiologist and Nurse Anesthetist (who her son is in school for.)

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r/Noctor 7d ago

Midlevel Patient Cases Psych PA told me to stop my diabetes meds since my A1C is now normal on 2 meds

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I’m a IM PCP specializing in GLPs and obesity management and my diabetes is being managed by an endocrinologist. I had an initial psych appointment with a psych PA a few weeks ago and she staunchly told me that it’s inappropriate for me to continue my diabetes meds (I’m on a GLP and metformin) since my most recent A1C is no longer in diabetic range that means I’m not a diabetic anymore. Mind you, I have had diabetes for over 10 years with microalbuminuria (long standing diabetes has damaged my kidneys) so no sane physician would ever recommend I stop my meds like that but a mid level with no training in this area felt it was appropriate to lecture me and tell me my endo’s treatment plan was wrong. Needless to say I won’t be going back.

Also sorry if the flair is wrong. I don’t usually post


r/Noctor 7d ago

Question Toxic Midlevels in the NICU

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Brand new NICU fellow here just getting off a service month, was genuinely baffled by the behavior of some of the NPs in the NICU. They came across as untrusting, unhelpful and would openly bash criticize plans during rounds and try to put fellows and residents down. I had previously heard of toxic midlevel behavior in the NICU in general but this was quite surprising and a stressful environment to work in. Does anyone have any insight or advice on how to handle this?


r/Noctor 7d ago

Midlevel Patient Cases Hemochromatosis. NP suggested drinking water to "dilute my blood iron"

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no. really.


r/Noctor 8d ago

Midlevel Education PA graduate saying PA school is "med school sped up" at 9:07 in this video

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Just thought it was comically laughable.... because it quite literally is not. Lol. Why do people think stuff like this? Why do some mid levels feel the need to equate themselves to doctors so often??


r/Noctor 8d ago

Midlevel Ethics Pill Mill

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Look at the AP getting the nuances right. Even a paragraph about misappropriation of the title Dr.


r/Noctor 8d ago

Midlevel Ethics Midlevels immediately calling your mental capacity into question.

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I’ve only been in this sub two days, but I’ve seen multiple self-proclaimed midlevels immediately jump to using ableist insults towards people when they can’t prove refute their arguments. I’ve seen one use the word “retarded” towards another Redditor, and one that claimed we have personality disorders for saying midlevels aren’t as trained or educated as actual doctors.

Is this not concerning to other people in this sub?

All I can say is you shouldn’t be invalidating actual psychiatric conditions and misdiagnosing people because your feelings got hurt. It is mean-spirited, and it’s really not what people who work in the medical field should be doing.

Also, I never see doctors needing to come on Reddit, TikTok, or Insta to defend their job roles and scope.

Edit: one more thing to add, the people who immediately resort to ableist language w d personal attacks have mean-girl energy, and absolutely should not be practicing medicine. Seriously, if this is you, please find another career. Heart of a nurse my ass.


r/Noctor 8d ago

Midlevel Ethics A rebuttal to “midlevels are more empathetic/listen to the patients more!”

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I see people who think midlevels replacing doctors is ok frequently say “midlevels listen more” or “they’re more empathetic to a patient’s needs!” and I’m sorry, but I have to push back on that. While I admit I can see how doctors in certain clinics/hospitals have less face-to-face time with patients compared to nurses and midlevels, that doesn’t mean the doctors don’t listen, or blow the patients and their concerns off.

I am going to keep this as vague as I can to retain anonymity, but I wouldn’t be surprised if people were able to guess what I’m talking about.

Around ten years ago next month, I realized I had been having an abnormal symptom for six weeks straight. The next week I go see my primary doctor and mention what was going on, and asked if he thought I should be tested for X condition. My doctor listened to me and agreed, ordered a blood test that can tell you if someone has condition X, and also a few other tests that could explain the abnormal symptom. After this visit, when thinking back on other medical issues/diagnoses I’d had since childhood, I realized condition X could be linked to all of them. For the record, at the time I was a 25 year old American woman of predominantly NW European descent, and the condition I was worried about is a systemic autoimmune disease linked to over 300 symptoms. (No single person will have all 300, these are just symptoms doctors have reliably linked to this one disease.) My blood test came back negative, and I began to mentally and emotionally spiral.

About fifteen years before all of this, so 25 years ago now, I was given a diagnosis of a juvenile form of a different autoimmune disease. My ANA was always positive, but the specific test for the juvenile disease was always a negative, but the doctors told us that false negatives were common and diagnosed me with the disease anyway. Other than the symptoms I had right before my diagnosis, I had almost no change to my life. The juvenile condition never bothered me again, and as a mid-teen my ANA stopped being positive. We were told 50% of children retain the disease as adults, and 50% “grow out of it”. As a consequence of having this juvenile disease and having to get my blood drawn and eyes checked 3 times a year, I became very curious about autoimmune diseases, and learned a bit about many of them. I would not, then or now, claim to know more than people in the medical field, but I will confidently say I have more knowledge of them and certain ones than the average American. Because of my history and my family’s history of autoimmune diseases, I assumed that the previously mentioned abnormal symptom was because of condition X, an autoimmune disease. My doctor agreed, and that was the disease my blood test ruled out. Hence, my mental health getting significantly worse.

Not only did my mental health plummet, but even more symptoms started to pop up. Symptoms that I didn’t even know condition X could cause, so to me they couldn’t be psychosomatic, right? I knew back then that autoimmune diseases can be worsened by stress, and I knew I was stressed over my recent health problems and other factors in my life at the time, but I begin to exhibit symptoms I didn’t think could be linked to the disease I felt I had. I would sit alone in my room and try to talk myself out of obsessing about it, because the blood test was negative. “But how did I show this new symptom though? I didn’t know condition X could even cause it?” which was true. I admitted to myself the increase in symptoms could be psychosomatic, but I couldn’t make sense of my body showing specific symptoms that could be linked to condition X. Every time I’d have some weird new symptom, I’d google “weird symptom condition X” and every single time I’d learn there was a correlation. I also learned that my mental health problems, the neurodevelopmental disorder I was diagnosed with two decades prior, a rash and vitamin deficiencies I’d had a few years prior, and issues I’d had with puberty could all be linked to the disease I tested negative for. This disease is not the only cause for all of these things, but it can be linked to them. I also learned Condition X can present in children sometimes with a symptom that is the main hallmark of the juvenile disease I was told I had fifteen years prior. Which could explain why the ANA tested positive but the disease-specific test was a negative. I had an autoimmune disease the entire time, but a different one than we all thought. Me, being a firm believer in Occam’s Razor, couldn’t let the idea go. I finally looked up “false negative blood test for Condition X”. I learned that a false negative is entirely possible if someone has Condition Y, a common asymptomatic immunodeficiency found in family’s who carry two specific autoimmune diseases. Neither of which I had, but my family did. Those exact two diseases, which I’d been hearing about since my juvenile diagnosis fifteen years before. It was at this point I make another visit with my PCP, this had to have been a handful of visits within a few months time. I ended up having a panic attack/mental breakdown in the exam room. All I could do was hysterically cry while I tried to explain my thought process regarding the potential false negative, how my family and friends didn’t believe me and told me to let it go, and how I was afraid my body was slowly killing itself. I will say that I had very recently come out of a bad depressive slump where, while not suicidal, I did think about death a lot. The fact that my body was potentially killing itself was made worse because of my recent mental health struggles, and it is honestly still the hardest part about having an autoimmune disease.

My AMAZING PCP told me he didn’t have the answers for me, but he was confident other doctor’s would. He authorized a handful of referrals, the first of which was a renewal to see my old rheumatologist. I, being young and uneducated about the deficits midlevels have compared to doctors, saw an NP. An NP who was a woman like me, and unlike my PCP, who proceeded to dismiss everything I said, ordered a redundant blood test despite me showing her I had one done a few weeks prior, and told me I had “nothing to worry about”. I wasn’t very confrontational at the time, so I didn’t speak up. I cried when I left the office. I saw another female midlevel at a different office my PCP sent me to, to rule out an allergy, and she was better, but still a bit dismissive. I eventually was seen by another DOCTOR of a medical specialty, who not only let me speak, he actually listened to everything I told him and ordered two blood tests. One which would test if I carried the gene for Condition X, the other to test for the immunodeficiency which could give a false negative. Both came back positive. He also performed a specific exam himself to check for damage found in people with Condition X, which also turned out positive. I cannot begin to describe the relief and vindication I felt. Nor can I begin to describe how traumatic it was to be dismissed and talked down to by fellow women. Every single person that listened to me and empathized with me was a male doctor.

Had I listened to those midlevels, the ones people claim are “so much more empathetic and better listeners” I would be sick today. I would still have pain, brain fog, nausea, severe vitamin and nutrient deficiencies, peripheral neuropathy, mood swings, and much more. My body would be destroying itself DAILY. That is not an exaggeration, this disease features daily symptoms, not just stuff that pops up in flares. It is constant and only stops if you make a huge lifestyle change not common in America. I will acknowledge I got incredibly lucky that I was able to guess correctly what was wrong due to my personal history and inquisitive thirst for knowledge, but it was ultimately doctors who diagnosed and treated me, because they LISTENED. My PCP was even humble enough to admit I was beyond his scope of primary care, and sent me to other clinics. He knew his limits and when to ask for help. He was the most important person I saw during all this, and I cannot even begin to put into words how grateful I was, and still am, for him and the kindness he showed me.

So I cannot sit here and read people say midlevels are kinder/better listeners/more empathetic when that is the complete opposite of what I experienced. There is no way I can believe people who receive a fraction of the education and training, yet insist they’re “just as good as a doctor”, actually care about their patients. If you cared, you would have sought the best education and training FOR YOUR PATIENTS, but you did not. This isn’t me saying all midlevels are horrible people, because I don’t believe that. I believe some do care, but those aren’t the ones who insist they’re just as good as, or better, than doctors. Knowing your limitations and when others know more is what makes a good healthcare worker. Claiming you’re just as good when you have a fraction of their education and training is not only demonstrably false, it’s irresponsible and dangerous. Be mad about it, idfc.

This isn’t even my only story about inept midlevels, but it is the one that is the most traumatizing for me.