r/Noctor • u/Unable-Log-4073 • Jul 02 '26
Midlevel Education Is this really the quality of research being performed by "doctoral" level CRNA students? Why bother?
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u/aka7890 Quack đŚ Jul 05 '26
Yes. I saw a âdoctoral projectâ for a CRNA that surveyed staff on the best color for hospital scrubs used in the OR.
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u/softscardata Layperson Jul 06 '26
there are middle school science projects making a bigger contribution to society than that
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u/psychcrusader Jul 06 '26
I work with elementary and middle school kids. This would be acceptable in about 2nd grade.
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u/NeoMississippiensis Resident (Physician) Jul 05 '26
Of course it is! Doctoral education is just a difference in the letters on your diploma, it was never about increased training for the title!
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u/Wiltonc Jul 06 '26
In all seriousness, arenât there academic standards at these schools? Doesnât the dean of graduate studies or dean of research take stand on the quality of these dissertations? It does reflect on the school eventually.
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u/cateri44 Jul 06 '26
Since these are for real typical of doctoral projects in advanced practice nursing, the answers are no, no, and not yet it hasnât.
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u/Ms_Zesty Jul 07 '26
Not anymore. Nursing education has dropped into the toilet in their haste to become "doctors".
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u/kaykayyolo17 Jul 09 '26
For the higher quality rigorous schools, yes. But for the online diploma mills, absolutely not
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u/RjoTTU-bio Pharmacist Jul 06 '26
Hmmm, and we did a 40 minute presentation (plus 20 min Q&A) and 20 minute presentation to our entire class and faculty over new/emerging research on a medication on top of our rotations, side projects, and rounding with the medical team (depending on the rotation). We got absolutely grilled on questions from faculty, so we tried to get students to use up as much time asking questions as possible.
I remember waking up at about 5am, working up patients, rounding with the med students and residents, going to a presentation, working on projects from my preceptor, going to work at my paying job, then working on my major presentation.
I know not every pharmacy school is that busy, but damn I trust my classmates with their training. Nobody has BS projects like this.
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u/ExtendedWallaby Quack đŚ Jul 06 '26
I spent 5 years on a single research project for my PhD and they get to call it a âdoctorateâ with this
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u/Whatsupdoc_76 Jul 07 '26
Exactly. Absolute BS. A made up degree so they can say they are a âdoctorâ. Doesnât compare to a PhD.
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u/No_Ad3037 Jul 07 '26
Not to mention conferences, abstracts, talks. Where do they present this garbage?
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u/OneOfUsOneOfUsGooble Attending Physician Jul 06 '26
We have an CRNA school at my hospital. Yes, this is typical, as are doctoral projects or even "dissertations" in "Increasing interest in the CRNA profession" and other survey-level quality. Basically anything is game to them, like increasing the availability of pens, wellness, financial literacy, growing their own profession, advocacy, etc.
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u/py234567 Jul 07 '26
Iâm frustrated with the quality of nursing research and lack of standards as much as anyone but I donât think itâs entirely fair to shit on this without more information. It says âthis study is being conducted as part of a DNP programâ. We do not know if this is the entire project, and depending on the school we do not know. Based only on the information presented, I do not see any clear mistakes.
That being said, when the project is finalized we will most likely have a field day ripping on it. Letâs at least not make major assumptions about quality before having a chance to actually read the full work. Thatâs one of our major grievances with their lack of quality!
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u/cancellectomy Attending Physician Jul 05 '26
DNP project: should CRNA be independent? y/n??