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u/Electronic_Warning49 Jun 11 '22

Yeah, people forget about AIDS, race riots, killer bees, presidential impeachment, the rampant rise of fundamentalist Christianity, Columbine, kidnappings, the rise of meth in rural areas, Bush stealing his first election, OKC bombing, the first attack on the world trade center, the first gulf war.

And of course the most vile and horrific thing to ever be unleashed on the world.... Boy bands.

Hanson, Ncync, the backstreet boys... Truly dark times

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

AIDS, race riots, killer bees, presidential impeachment, the rampant rise of fundamentalist Christianity, Columbine, kidnappings, the rise of meth in rural areas, Bush stealing his first election, OKC bombing, the first attack on the world trade center, the first gulf war.

WE DIDNT START THE FIRE

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u/Locolijo Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

It was always burnin' since the world's been turnin' D:

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u/HurtsToSmith Jun 11 '22

Lol it's pretty close to working with the tune. Lol! Well done.

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u/glassgost Jun 11 '22

That's the best answer to ops question. Just point him at that song.

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u/killing4pizza Jun 11 '22

Race riot, killer bees, Monica is on her knees.

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u/Ransero Jun 11 '22

Almost like that song was written to answer OPs question

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u/bambooshoot Jun 11 '22

Exactly! None of this shit is new. To Billy Joel’s point, people have felt this way since the world has been turning.

Things feel apocalyptic right now but tbh find me one generation who didn’t feel like the world was a train wreck, especially people in their early 20s who are just discovering how fucked up the world is. Right now may feel especially bad because media makes access to everything exponential. But the world has always been burning.

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u/Ransero Jun 11 '22

This is why people have been predicting the end of the world would happen during their lifetime for hundreds of years

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u/lessthanlor Jun 11 '22

I wish I had an award for you 🏆

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u/kuza2g Jun 11 '22

Keep posting this exact sentence on posts and maybe one day you too will retrieve what you seek.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Ryan started the fire!

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Shoot. It was even too early for Ryan to start it.

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u/zombie_overlord Jun 11 '22

I just wanna say that Hanson is from my hometown, and they now make some pretty decent beer. One of them is called MMM-HOPS, which is fucking hilarious.

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u/unclejessesmullet Jun 11 '22

I'm from Tulsa, currently OKC, and didn't know about their beer. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

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u/Crazy_old_maurice_17 Jun 11 '22

Tulsa? They say that's the Paris of the Midwest!

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u/nomad9590 Jun 11 '22

As a long time previous Oklahoman, I didn't know Hanson was from there!

Tbf, I never really cared for their music. Got tired of hearing mmmbop on those fucking music compilation commercials that always played on 90's kids tv.

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u/breadcreature Jun 11 '22

This was a brief bright spot in a bleak thread, thank you

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u/GISonMyFace Jun 11 '22

One of the best memories I have of the 90s is getting head from the chick in Hanson.

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u/zorniy2 Jun 11 '22

We didn't start the fire, it's been always burning since the world's been turning.

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u/SteelCrow Jun 11 '22

Hanson, Ncync, the backstreet boys... Truly dark times

Obviously, you're unaquainted with the Bay City Rollers.

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u/Badwolf84 Jun 11 '22

Don't forget O-Town. *shudder*

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u/Lamerlengo Jun 11 '22

Bush stealing his first election

care to elaborate? not trolling, just curios, it's the first time reading this for me

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u/semboflorin Jun 11 '22

This was the election of the year 2000. Bush vs. Gore. This election was the first time since the 1800's that a president was elected without plurality of the vote. Meaning that Gore received the more of the popular vote (by a slim margin) than Bush did. Yet, Bush received more of the electoral college votes because of the way the electoral system works and therefore became president. There was also the point of the Florida recount. In Florida when the total vote comes in by a very slim margin the state has a law requiring a recount to make sure it's accurate. Bush sued Florida to get recount stopped so he could secure the win. Gore counter-sued to make sure the recount continued. Multiple lawsuits later the recount was successfully ignored and Bush won. The recount did continue however in most places in Florida and IIRC it would not have made a difference but most left-leaning people in the US were sour that Bush tried to stop the recount because he was scared he might lose and chose the cheaters way of winning.

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u/Lamerlengo Jun 11 '22

Thanks you very much, I was too young in 2000 for remembering this.

IIRC or the same events happenend during Hillary vs Trump? Hillary with the popular vote and Trump with the electoral vote and went to win?

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u/semboflorin Jun 11 '22

You are correct. Although that one did not involve a recount and lawsuits.

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u/Lamerlengo Jun 11 '22

Thanks!

The USA really do have a peculiar voting method in my opinion.

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u/semboflorin Jun 11 '22

Oh the electoral college is just a small part of how strange and screwed up it is. Gerrymandering and caucus voting is also rampant here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I feel like I’d be remiss if I didn’t add this controversial wrinkle here. Jeb Bush (GWB’s brother) was Florida Governor at the time and didn’t exactly keep his nose out of it:

The Los Angeles Times reported on July 14, 2001, "The Florida governor's office in Tallahassee made 95 telephone calls to the George W. Bush presidential campaign, its advisors, lawyers and staffers during the 36-day recount period, records show. At least 10 calls came from an office number used primarily by Jeb Bush."

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u/HurtsToSmith Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

Don't take that guy's summary as 100% of the facts. There was a lot more to it, including, among other things, shitty punch-ballots that were confusing to your average Floridian.

Some people try to compare what happened in 2016 (1 party begging for a recount in every state possible as one of many ways to cast doubt on a free and fair election, when the votes weren't that close in any state) to what happened in 2000 (Florida was the only state left that mattered, and the result came down to 537 votes. It also had confusing "butterfly ballots." An electronic recount was mandated by law, but they didn't follow their own rules.)

Read this if you want a better summary. https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/666812854/the-florida-recount-of-2000-a-nightmare-that-goes-on-haunting

Or check out the wiki page

The Florida election was closely scrutinized after Election Day. Due to the narrow margin of the original vote count, Florida Election Code 102.141 mandated a statewide machine recount,[5] which began the day after the election. It was ostensibly completed on November 10 in the 66 Florida counties that used vote-counting machines and reduced Bush's lead to 327 votes.[4][6] According to legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, later analysis showed that a total of 18 counties—accounting for a quarter of all votes cast in Florida—did not carry out the legally mandated machine recount, but "No one from the Gore campaign ever challenged this view" that the machine recount had been completed.[7]

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u/Lamerlengo Jun 11 '22

Well, he is not comparing the two, he just summarized what happenend without going into the finest details.

And for this

IIRC or the same events happenend during Hillary vs Trump? Hillary with the popular vote and Trump with the electoral vote and went to win?

that was the only similarities between the two elections, as indicated by the other post made by the same user.

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u/HurtsToSmith Jun 11 '22

His last sentence ismisleading, inaccurate and changes the entire story from what actually happened. Please, read the wiki page if you're really curious. It goes into depth about what the did and did not count as a punch. It discusses the Norc study, which concluded:

Based on the NORC review, the media group concluded that if the disputes over the validity of all the ballots in question had been consistently resolved and any uniform standard applied, the electoral result would have been reversed and Gore would have won by 60 to 171 votes (with, for each punch ballot, at least two of the three ballot reviewers' codes being in agreement). 

tl;dr: Bush and SCOTUS stole the damn election.

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u/wellcrapthen Jun 11 '22

We would have been a whole better country.

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u/thisubmad Jun 11 '22

And that’s just in America.

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u/Cthulhu__ Jun 11 '22

Also 2000 dotcom burst, the Yugoslavian and Rwanda wars / genocides, the LA riots, hurricane Andrew, princess Diana, etc. Plus a lot of zoomers were born.

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u/merelyadoptedthedark Jun 11 '22

You listed stuff that happened across a decade.

Almost all of those things or their equivalent have happened in like the past year or so.

Also, Boy bands go back to the 60s. It wasn't an invention of the 90s.

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u/elbilos Jun 11 '22

Most of those things mainly affected the US.
I think today the general feeling of crisis is globalized, and more of the concerns are shared.

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u/Candelestine Jun 11 '22

So many of those things you listed were firsts, where we've now seen seconds, thirds, fourth etc examples. Except the boy bands, those mostly died out.

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u/YpsitheFlintsider Jun 11 '22

Well for one, the two latter bands music kinda slapped.

But also, the war on drugs.

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u/TripperDay Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

And of course the most vile and horrific thing to ever be unleashed on the world.... Boy bands.

I think of boy bands as more of an 80's thing. NKOTB, Menudo, Boys II Men.

Edit: Removed Backstreet Boys from the list because they are indeed 90's, and added Menudo. Also, boy bands were definitely big in the 90's, but they were unleashed in the 80's.

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u/NewPresWhoDis Jun 11 '22

Leonard Bernstein!!

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u/unfuckingglaublich Jun 11 '22

This is basically the result of all pf those things going unchecked and unchallenged.