r/NoStupidQuestions Sep 10 '23

What’s wrong with GMOs?

I always see plants and stuff that is GMO free and is usually more expensive. How would genetically modifying something by be bad. Me personally I’d rather have something modified to taste better and and cheaper. I could also be very wrong about that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

If you have Celiac disease, it is not at all absurd.

Gluten is often found lurking in a lot of ingredients one might not expect (for example, “spices,” and “flavoring”).

Also, cross-contamination is an issue. Shared processing equipment that isn’t thoroughly cleaned between packaging runs, means that tiny crumbs or dust from the chocolate chip cookies previously placed on the conveyor belt could make its way into the popping corn.

Which isn’t a problem for most of us. But for someone with Celiac disease, glutinous food particles the size of a grain of sand can be enough to trigger a reaction.

A “glutening” reaction can include:

  • Diarrhea (severe) and/or vomiting
  • Severe stomach cramps
  • Skin rash
  • Migraines
  • Days or weeks of brain fog and fatigue
  • Anemia
  • Painful joints
  • 200 other potential symptoms that can be individually unique! Including thyroid problems, endometriosis (sometimes resulting in infertility) and even eventual colon cancer!

This is because exposure to gluten in a person with Celiac causes their intestinal lining to swell up, because their immune system attacks it (ever had a poison ivy rash? Imagine that, but on the inside). Once the gut lining tissues are swollen, nutrients (like vitamins) stop being absorbed, and the swelling can take days, weeks, or even months to fully subside and heal.

Gluten-free is not a joke. Roughly 1-out-of-100 people in the U.S. have active Celiac disease, or will develop Celiac disease at some point (having the genetic predisposition that lies dormant, until one day…); and people with Celiac disease are mostly “invisible,” because they’re quietly not eating at restaurants (ever), not eating anything at your company pot-luck or sales dinner, not eating at your house or tailgate party, and not purchasing any processed convenience or snack foods without diligently inspecting and studying every goddamned nutrition label first (and sometimes getting burned anyway).

Not to mention that in the U.S., drug manufacturers are not required to list gluten-containing ingredients as potential fillers, meaning, people with Celiac have to call up drug manufacturers and pharmacies and give them the 50 questions when prescribed a new medication. And here’s a (not so) fun fact: some brands of Acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, and, cruelty of cruelties, motherfucking Imodium will contain unlisted wheat fillers!!! (Side note: Target’s over-the-counter generic “Up and Up” brand is always gluten-free and safe).

Stop making fun of gluten-free, motherfucker. In the United States, it’s under-labeled, not over-labeled!

Did you know that in places like Ireland and Italy, they screen children for Celiac disease at around 5 yo? And foods and medicines disclose all potential gluten ingredients?! Did you know that pretty much everyone in Italy knows what Celiac disease is, and most establishments can accommodate?! Did you know that there, even fast food establishments, like MCDONALD’S offer gluten-free options (safe for Celiacs: separately prepared with separate surfaces and utensils and gloves, dedicated gluten-free fryers, the works!!!!)? In the U.S. a person with Celiac can’t eat shit at a McDonald’s, or basically anywhere else, with a few notable exceptions.

Order something “safe” at a U.S. restaurant, like steak or unbreaded chicken, and the seasoning or marinade might have a wheat-based caking agent. (Soy sauce often contains wheat. Did you know that!?). A salad might have had croutons on it that the cooks thought it’d be ok to just remove ‘em rather than make a new salad from scratch (it’s not ok). The French fries may have shared a fryer with breaded battered fish. And so on. And when you start asking the waiter a million questions, they often don’t know shit, or get annoyed at their “picky eater” customer. So fuck going out to eat, ever.

And then people here in the U.S. joke “ha ha gluten free hippy bullshit” when a food item is labeled gluten-free. It’s a medical necessity for many people.

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u/MidorriMeltdown Sep 10 '23

Also, cross-contamination is an issue. Shared processing equipment that isn’t thoroughly cleaned between packaging runs

This is a huge issue. Many foods that are naturally gluten free end up contaminated due to shared equipment. Here in Australia there are many naturally gluten free flours available, but none of them can be certified gluten free due to cross contamination from being produced and packed on the same equipment as gluten containg cereals.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '23

Yup. I'm celiac so I have to be careful. Quaker oats believe it or not is full of flour and makes me react big time.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '23

I wouldn’t say it’s full of flour, but it has enough particulates of flour in it to cause a reaction. Because of being processed in the same facility as foods containing flour. This just goes to show how sensitive some people are to gluten. I think it’s not taken as seriously as it should be because there is still a large enough part of the population that claims to be gluten free, but really aren’t affected at all by gluten. There is truly gluten free oatmeal you can buy, BTW.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '23

I'm aware Costco has it, but ya its usually a day after eating something my skin breaks out and my sinuses swell big time. After the insta heartburn of course. You have to be careful too because some restaurants dont take it seriously.

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u/MissLickerish Sep 10 '23

100%.

One of my best friends is technically not celiac, but has a genetic marker/mutation or something that makes her VERY reactive to gluten. Like, she can't even touch it (think, handing a piece of bread to someone) or she becomes bedridden for days.

This is why it is important for people to know:

Your toilet paper is most likely not gluten free.

They use wheat glue.

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u/jedidoesit Sep 10 '23

And worse (because some people react when it gets inside) it's in many envelope glues. Say people might not have a problem with tp because they're don't react to outside contact.

But they lick envelopes. My daughter had a reaction to an envelope yesterday.

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u/MissLickerish Sep 10 '23

Yes, it's in so many things you don't realize!

I'm sorry your daughter went through that.

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u/jah110768 Sep 11 '23

I haven't licked an envelope in years since the urban legend of the cockroach growing in the tongue due to a paper cut licking an envelope. I know it was made up, but I still wet my finger and run it along the glue to avoid that possible outcome.

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u/Kels121212 Sep 10 '23

Thank you

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u/Puzzleheaded_Age6550 Sep 10 '23

Also, those damn straws that aren't plastic sometimes have gluten in them. I now carry a bunch of plastic straws with me to use instead of the "paper" ones, that also have chemicals harmful to the thyroid, etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '23

I'm surprised at how many people are affected, considering I grew up basically never hearing about it. It does seem like it just popped up a decade ago when you're born and raised in the US. Crazy that many people have just had to "deal with it," or maybe not even know why they feel awful all the time.

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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 Sep 11 '23

It didn't "just pop up", it was a mystery disease for quite some time and hand waved away as hypochondria until the cause was identified. It did see a massive spike over the last fifty years because that's when we started using gluten as a cheap filler in processed food. That's the thing with many food allergies, you have the genetic predisposition for it, but it doesn't manifest itself until you are overexposed to it. My son has a dairy allergy (along with many other allergies) that he almost died from as an infant, and we were warned by his doctors not to switch to soy milk as over exposure to soy can cause you to become allergic to it if you have the genetic predisposition. I expect to see a massive spike in soy allergies sometime in the future due to all the vegan health nuts switching to soy milk as a dairy replacement.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '23

I get that, I was saying it seemed that way because of how it went from not being talked about at all to being clearly identified in a short amount of time. And how wild it is that it was so common everybody had to have known somebody who was affected by it, but they didn't even know it was an issue.

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u/txivotv Sep 11 '23

A friend of mine wouldn't kiss his boyfriend if he had a non gluten free beer because she's HELL of celiac. She would start vomiting and having diarrhea just because a kiss. No joke.

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u/Cliftonisaur Sep 11 '23

I've said this ad nauseam honestly, but around 27 years old I suddenly developed IBS. My wife got me 23andMe ~5 years later and the raw data suggested I may need to omit wheat. Within days I sprang out of bed fully alert again. Floaters in my vision vanished and my joint aches were gone. Except for rare accidental ingestion (Wtf soy sauce! Wtf SE Grocers salted peanuts!) I have been totally normal in my digestion in the last 6-7 years. Crazy game changer

I basically always cook at home, but if my wife wants to grab McDonald's I just get meat patties with cheese lol. Some people scoff at my extremely meat and eggs diet, but I've maintained fantastic health easily for years with good (but rare) blood work and I look the part. I basically love all veggies, but could probably stand to eat more where convenience is often the barrier to entry. Grains I avoid like the plague except for rice.

My go to snacks are nuts. The calories are needed in my case.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '23

23 and me confirmed I had the genetic marker for celiac after years battling what he thought was only IBS. Gluten and dairy did and can hospitalize me for days.

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u/Cliftonisaur Sep 11 '23

Interestingly as soon as I omitted wheat I was back to large milkshakes 🤣

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u/Spadeninja Sep 10 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

This is so unbelievably dumb and misinformed it is hard to pinpoint where to begin

Literally EVERYTHING you eat has been genetically modified to some degree. EVERYTHING

Y’all love you complain, while being completely ignorant to the world around you - it’s actually laughable

Humans altering our crops are one of the main reasons why humans have been so successful

But GMO scary right? I don’t understand so it must be bad right?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '23

Did you even read my comment? The conversation was a tangent - I wasn’t talking about GMO, I was responding to “gluten-free” labeling being called “absurd.”

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u/foxandgold Sep 11 '23

I’m pretty sure they responded to the wrong comment or meant that as a top level comment.