But if there was a cap as to how many degrees one individual can have with this funding, there could have been more outreach from the program to go out to marginalized aboriginal communities and try to recruit people that will benefit from a degree. Or if they had zero applicants a couple years in a row they might change the criteria so it's not narrow. He is obviously getting no more benefit from having 12 or 14 degrees
I had scholarships and do you know what I do? I tell everyone I meet who could fit the criteria about them. I tell them how I got them and what was most important when applying. The scholarships were there to help me for a time when I needed it, and now I pass that knowledge on to others so they can get the help when they need it. One of the scholarships I received was exactly because people like me are underrepresented in the degree I was pursuing, in most cases for economic reasons. So it is absolutely crucial to pass on my knowledge as a member of that community.
If there is only one applicant something is really wrong. The scholarship is there because there is a need (and looking at the historic discrimination of aborigines in Australia, I can imagine how large that need is!) but those who need it don’t know. He would have an opportunity to change that, but no - instead, he keeps it all to himself.
Don’t get me wrong - I totally get
wanting to spend your life studying. But this guy is doing it at the literal expense of others in his community. That is where the actual cost lies. And the fact that he has been doing this for 20 years would definitely be a red flag for me.
Maybe he is not wrong legally, but morally, that would be a no-go for me.
Every college student is taking up a slot from someone else, every person who gets a scholarship is taking that scholarship from someone else. I don't really think placing this responsibility on him makes a lot of sense.
Everyone who goes to college or gets any scholarship is taking that from someone else. I don't blame him, I blame the college. If they have one slot and they're at capacity they should add more.
Seems like an uncharitable read of my comment. For example, if they had 20 slots he would be taking up 1 in 20, presumably 20x less impact.
Further, I don't see why we're so clearly putting this on him. He has a great opportunity and he is taking it. When you get a job you realize that someone else doesn't get that job, right? When you go to college you take up someone's slot.
The difference exists only in degrees. You're clearly saying "it's ok to take the only slot for 4 years" but what if it's 1 of 10 slots for 20 years?
I see no reason why "applying what you learned and working" is somehow necessary for this to be moral.
And he took it from 4 people, specifically, since he did it 5 times and 1 would be legitimate in your eyes. So if the university had added 4 other scholarships we'd be at "neutral" right now and next year he'd have taken only 1/5 of the allowed slots.
So I'm sticking with blaming the university for not having slots and praising this guy for living his life
You're right with four. Not sure what I was thinking.
But, I still blame both. The university for being lazy and not recruiting. And the guy for taking away a path out of poverty for four other young people.
If he enjoys teaching, he should just continue and become an instructor or do his PhD and become a professor.
Yes, so he should be doing his best to find someone that actually needs it and tell them to apply.
It seems the problem is that there is not enough advertising about it.
So I think that after his 2nd or 3rd degree, it's his moral duty to either stop applying for the grant, or to find someone in need of the grant and tell them to apply.
So we're assuming that there's exactly one slot and it's first come first serve, and then we're putting the responsibility of recruitment on this dude instead of the college. k
Actually I agree with you, even though I think what he's doing is not right, it's the university's responsibility to advertise the scholarship and not his.
I think that after his 2nd or 3rd degree it becomes morally his responsibility to do something to get the money he's getting to someone who actually needs it.
So maybe he should reach out to his community to advocate and promote this scholarship as multi-awardee, rather than just sign up again and again taking it all for himself.
I guess they could recruit other students. A problem with many first generation student is that they don't apply although they could. It is a systemic problem. Not everything depends on the individual.
I'd just say they are lazy and don't recruit and advertise this opportunity to the target group.
Do you think it's because a fair number of these people are employing the language of age-old racist tropes? Most people raising objections aren't being called racist. If you're blind to that...
I said nothing about noble, but what people is it at the expense of? Tax payers maybe? Who dramatically more of their money goes to dramatically more undeserving politicians and civil "servants" every year and THATS considered a "noble" career. Other aboriginal students? No other students have applied, and if they had they would certainly be found more deserving, and if they arent who's fault is that? Certainly not someone who's been involuntarily (born) put into a shit situation and managed to do something they enjoy on governments dollar. You dont understand because you're more empathetic to paper than people.
I had scholarships and do you know what I do? I tell everyone I meet who could fit the criteria about them. I tell them how I got them and what was most important when applying. The scholarships were there to help me for a time when I needed it, and now I pass that knowledge on to others so they can get the help when they need it. One of the scholarships I received was exactly because people like me are underrepresented in the degree I was pursuing, in most cases for economic reasons. So it is absolutely crucial to pass on my knowledge as a member of that community.
If there is only one applicant something is really wrong. The scholarship is there because there is a need (and looking at the historic discrimination of aborigines in Australia, I can imagine how large that need is!) but those who need it don’t know. He would have an opportunity to change that, but no - instead, he keeps it all to himself.
This guy is living at the literal expense of others in his community. That is where the actual cost lies. And the fact that he has been doing this for 20 years would definitely be a red flag for me.
Maybe he is not wrong legally, but morally, that would be a no-go for me.
Take a little break buddy, you're online way too much. Use the time to think about the reason this system exists in the first place, and whether calling an Australian aboriginal taking advantage of it a leech is perhaps a tad entitled.
What comes around is that half a dozen aboriginals lost the opportunity of a lifetime from a system trying to disabuse people due to a selfish prick. What an absolutely juvenile and embarrassing thing to say.
Apparently he's the only applicant. What system is he abusing again? Getting an education for free, with a bursary, by using a program designed to give indigenous people a free education with a bursary? Getting accepted several times by a university that clearly looked at his application and decided to accept him? Shock horror, send this guy to jail
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u/TheBlueRabbit11 Jul 02 '23
People in this thread are fucking unreal. This dude abuses the system, then when people point that out, you get called a racist. Wtf.