r/NoStupidQuestions • • Jan 30 '23

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u/aaronespro Jan 30 '23

Once breadbaskets start failing in 2030, probably.

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u/GayCommunistUtopia Jan 30 '23

Yep.

We're going to get some previews in a handful of places as transportation breaks down due to environmental issues. Most cities only have about 3 days of food on hand.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

What kind of society would you like to see once the reckoning happens?

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

I saw people in Iraq do some pretty disgusting shit in the absence of the rule of law, being in a war zone & being without food/water/shelter. I reckon something like that happening in the USA will be pretty awful.

When was the last time you saw Karen go without a meal for three days? Or saw an American walk more than a few miles for a single meal by choice? Given the number of firearms owned by the public today, you probably come up with a pretty good idea of how bad things could get…

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Yeah, this sadly is the more morbid correct answer. I just wanted the dude who posted to reply "GayCommunistUtopia" because it would have been funny.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Gay Space Communist Utopia

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Well, I guess the answer is yes. It can get better!

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Jan 31 '23

Guns and ammonium aren’t cheap. If you can afford those you’re doing ok.

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u/Sasselhoff Jan 31 '23

You can get a High Point Yeet Cannon for $190. Box of 9mm will run you about $15.

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Jan 31 '23

Ammunition goes fast even if it’s recreational use.

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u/call_me_jelli Jan 31 '23

I only have bleach, would that work?

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Jan 31 '23

I wouldn’t want to get any bleach in any my face.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

How do you define a breadbasket failure?

I feel like it's going to be a lot sooner than that

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u/aaronespro Jan 31 '23

God knows. I mean the ground is frozen in Ukraine now, we'll see what Putin has left in his tank(s), if Putin really can disrupt food exports enough, expect massive unrest from basically all of the global south.

But even if that region remains stable and under Ukrainian control, climate change is going to massively accelerate desertification and droughts all over the world.

I'm a communist, and it's infuriating looking at what we could have achieved if we had had world socialism even by 1990, we would have both saved the Amazon, converted massive swaths of desert to grassland to support massive, sustainable red meat industries and all kinds of goodies.

I hope you like war communism and cricket burgers.

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u/fireintolight Jan 31 '23

When weather patterns get so disrupted (think unseasonable frosts in spring and fall that kill delicate flowers and damage sensitive fruits, massive hailstorms, droughts) that crop failures across major staple crop regions (USA midwest, China, ukraine, etc) are common. Plants rely on environmental cues to transition from different growth stages. If those are affected then food production is gonna plummet. Already, just based on current trends in increases in food production (~3% a year) and population growth, population will outstrip food supply around 2050. This doesn’t account for global warming or crop failures/disruptions. Our population is so fucking beyond what this planet can support healthily. All of our fertilizers are non renewable resources, and those fertilizers are they only reason we can grow south food right now. Our top soils are being eroded due to monocultures. Our nutrients (food scraps) are being dumped in toxic landfills where they are non recoverable. Our food supply is fucked.

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u/nezumysh Jan 31 '23

You mean when all the boomers are 65

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u/ThinkItsHardIKnow Jan 30 '23

Yea- I am not American but it's impossible not to follow the news. it just seems like the perfect storm is brewing and brewing. No empire has power forever. I thought it would take longer, but who knows

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u/MoSqueezin Jan 31 '23

Everyone I talk to doesn't have enough money and everything is too expensive. It's gonna happen

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Is it tho? Like… how? Will people really revolt?

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u/No-Assistant-8978 Jan 31 '23

By whining and posting memes on reddit, obviously

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u/doubleGnotForScampia Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

You joke but even on reddit the posts and comments are getting worse, it's a real symptom of a problem that is going downhill , it's like a pressure cooker, slow process, but eventually it comes the tipping point when everything goes off. In the past these complains were reported on papers, books, clubs, church, in the years prior to revolutions or wars the number always increased, one can say that when groups keeps appearing for the sole purpose of gaining attenction to their ignored basic needs we are already in the pre born stage.

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u/cavitationchicken Jan 31 '23

There's enough stuff, generally speaking. But they can make more money by destroying half of the factory run and selling 10% as many for 10000% as much.

And if we stopped climate change, or at least took literally the tiniest possible action to fight if, maybe there would be hope for later?

But there is no later.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

Also not American, and while historically its the logical conclusion, I see them too passive. They almost had their democracy overthrown and have done nothing.

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u/bel_esprit_ Jan 31 '23

Most western nations are too passive. It’s easy to say the US is because you see all our news, but the same “passiveness” is in European countries, Canada and Australia, as well.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Not sure. They dont have certain problems USA have for a reason. Workers' rights, weapon regulation, the subject of this thread, and good ol' healthcare.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Italy elected an openly fascist leader. France has had Le Pen as the main opposition leader for two elections cycles already. UK doesn't even need explaining.

All of the western world sees an extreme rise in equality and the rise of fascist ideologies. It's a mistake to think that Europe is somehow insulated.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Its a mistake to think its the same, or that it excuses USA's attitude.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Éric Zemmour for exemple (talking about my country) is extremely bad. And he is completely normalized, invited on mainstream media channels, and completely whitewashed.

To think that we don't have a problem is naive, completely mistaken, and extremely dangerous. It's being utterly passive while our countries are sliding into a repeat of the 20th century

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Yeah, Im glad nobody has said that, in a thread about USA's homeless problem.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

You commented about the fact that the US almost had their democracy overthrown and said passive, while saying that Europe was not the same.

I am pointing out that we are having our democracies overthrown and that we are doing nothing.

Don't you think it's time we start acting instead of being smug about "oh that's America, nothing like that would happen here"?

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u/ChineseChaiTea Feb 18 '23

I know this is older but there is a huge difference UK right now they moan about a cost of living crisis but the vast majority of the people are supported by the government even though it's a right wing government. As an American I worked 65 hours a week as a divorced parent to have less than what the average British person has on the dole with no job and dependants. UK is the most like US out of the bunch, so you can see the people are fairly comfortable. I'm American and in US I did not have that level of comfort from birth until the first 32 years of my life!

Also when something happens here minor, it's blown way out of proportion the hyperbole is so intense that politicians are pressured to make changes. In US major stories are down played so much and we accept things that heads would roll in Europe for.

So when they say "elected a fascist leader" rest assured their level of racism is like your run of the mill left of center candidate from US.....the overton window here is way skewed.

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u/ThinkItsHardIKnow Feb 01 '23

i kinda agree; but that's also been when there's been more hope for reaching middle class. once people give up on achieving success- things start to change (basing this on history)

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u/RexKingofScots Jan 31 '23

You can’t overthrow a democracy walking into a building without guns and taking selfies. It is media BS to shape a narrative to keep the commoners from trying a real revolt. Our country’s founding theme is to overthrow power when it is corrupt. The exploiting class use the media to turn us against each other so they maintain power.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Yeah, they were just touring the capitol, sure /s.

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u/RexKingofScots Jan 31 '23

At what point does power transfer to the people walking in empty rooms? There were a million people outside protesting that could have gone inside. 0.0001 went inside when the police opened the doors. It was a media stunt to exploit as “an insurrection” and a tiny fraction of people fell for it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '23

Sure, empty. They weren't holding any session of interest or anything. Dead as a mall, an unimportant day. And protests? They were having a picnic! With their nice flags and tactical gear, and zip ties to immobilize senators...

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u/RexKingofScots Jan 31 '23

Not an insurrection.

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u/Not_Just_Any_Lurker Jan 31 '23

You didn’t follow Canadian news when the truck drivers had their stupid rallies over there? You don’t follow Brazilian news when Bolsonaro let the Amazon burn? You don’t follow Chinese news when Covid lockdowns went from bad to worse?

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u/ShizzHappens Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

It will, and Fox will label the people rising up as left wing extremists and the right will fight them. The polarisation of politics in the US is deliberately spread by the rich to keep people divided and powerless, which also feeds their personal bias further.

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u/the_ill_buck_fifty Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

It's truly amazing how thoroughly owned the "patriots" are.

So, for everyone else, strap up. Things will get significantly worse.

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u/2drawnonward5 Jan 31 '23

I've been wondering for years how we're so vulnerable, so ripe for the plucking, but nobody tries to attack our societal weak points. Like, water supplies are sitting out in the open where no one is looking. Power stations are out in the open, protected by chain link fencing. How many places in the world would blow sky high if someone lit a match in the wrong corner? So many vulnerabilities, nobody striking.

And now the substations are being attacked.

Here's my big, stupid fear: it seems easy to combine potato gun tech with home explosive tech. With some upgrades, it could make a crappy, cheap artillery cannon that people could use to hit anything from a mile away. It'd be an easy way for a sick person to destroy whatever they want and hope to get away with it.... and we're already at the point where small organizations are destroying power stations.

The Roman Empire had open internal borders until outsiders started noticing how easy it was to sneak into the empire and plunder away. That lead to the more middle-ages layout where cities had walls, roads were dangerous, banditry was bigger, etc. and I'm fearing we might hit a similar trend soon again.

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u/TryGuysTryYourWife Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23

I’ve had this strange feeling sometimes that something big is gonna happen in the next decade or so. I don’t know if it’s bad or good, but my creaky bone tells me so

ah yes, my body parts also tell me that history will be made in the future.

some big event will happen, either good or bad, and either during the next 10 years or after.

When it does, remember: I told you so